Resumption of overnight activities - any plan or discussion?

Started by Eclipse, August 18, 2020, 12:33:43 am

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Eclipse

I was wondering if there was any discussion or presentation during the CompuServe CB Simulator Virtual National Conference regarding the resumption of overnight activities, especially Encampments and NCSAs.

My personal feeling is that absent a vaccine / effective direct treatment, there is no way NHQ can allow overnights to resume, and even then I am anticipating any number of venues, especially schools and military bases, to be reluctant to allow outside groups to use their facilities.

Right now the services are quarantining recruits for two weeks before allowing them to report to BMT.
That's obviously a non-starter for CAP.

And the above doesn't include Secretary Esper's memo to the effect that non-reimbursable resource use must be focused on warfighter goals which I have yet to see any information on in regards to how that affects CAP.



PHall

NHQ has absolutely no say in the matter right now.
The states, counties and cities are calling the shots right now.

Fubar

There was a whole session dedicated to it, "Encampment and Overnight Activities During COVID-19" by Lt Col Christine Lee. It's available for your viewing for the next year.

Fubar

Quote from: PHall on August 18, 2020, 12:39:36 amNHQ has absolutely no say in the matter right now.
The states, counties and cities are calling the shots right now.

Well technically NHQ does have a say in the matter if they come out and say regardless of what your state is doing, we don't want you doing overnight activities. At first that seemed to be NHQ's approach, they locked everything down regardless of local conditions but now they seem to be looking for any excuse to open things up.

Eclipse

Quote from: Fubar on August 18, 2020, 03:07:08 amThere was a whole session dedicated to it, "Encampment and Overnight Activities During COVID-19" by Lt Col Christine Lee. It's available for your viewing for the next year.

Where?



Capt Thompson

Quote from: Eclipse on August 18, 2020, 03:50:28 am
Quote from: Fubar on August 18, 2020, 03:07:08 amThere was a whole session dedicated to it, "Encampment and Overnight Activities During COVID-19" by Lt Col Christine Lee. It's available for your viewing for the next year.

Where?
Friday at 19:00
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

Eclipse





Eclipse




BJD

Quote from: Eclipse on August 18, 2020, 01:44:06 pmNot accessible to the general membership.

So you will probably need to log in through your original conference link first.

Eclipse

Did not attend, which was why I asked in the firstplace.

One can only imagine the various "reasons" these are beyond a payfreewall, or why NHQ
found it necessary to restrict this content only to "participants".

These should all have been on Youtube with no registration necessary where they would live in perpetuity
with easy access.



Capt Thompson

Ah didn't realize you didn't attend. Not sure why they wouldn't put them up on Youtube, unless there are restrictions from the vendor that prevent it maybe? Seems like a no-brainer to put them up for everyone.
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Fubar on August 18, 2020, 03:08:56 am
Quote from: PHall on August 18, 2020, 12:39:36 amNHQ has absolutely no say in the matter right now.
The states, counties and cities are calling the shots right now.

Well technically NHQ does have a say in the matter if they come out and say regardless of what your state is doing, we don't want you doing overnight activities. At first that seemed to be NHQ's approach, they locked everything down regardless of local conditions but now they seem to be looking for any excuse to open things up.

Some states do permit overnight activities.

NHQ is basically saying "No overnight activities until Phase III Remob." That means that they have a say in how all of this works, particularly in respect to states that are allowing overnight activities. Some states aren't even establishing those sorts of policies and are only issuing orders in respect to the volume of an activity's attendance and not its duration.

National Headquarters really has the ownership on what CAP can or cannot do at this point. If a state law or gubernatorial order results in an activity restriction, then that can really occur at any time throughout a year. And there are probably statutes out there that impose additional restrictions beyond what CAP might allow as a nation-wide organization. Lest we forget what other countries permit for overseas units.

If NHQ said, tomorrow, "We're allowing overnight activities in Phase I," then so be it; they're suddenly allowed. In some states, it's permissible.

Eclipse

Blanket civil restrictions obviously have a significant part in this conversation but it's only the start.
NHQ is free to make national policy more restrictive, but has no authority to relieve local legal directives.

The more complex conversation is around internal processes, procedures, and requirements, not to mention
activity viability (which pre-supposes there are venues that will host CAP to start with).

A state with little (or no) restrictions might be allowed to hold overnights, but obviously they could not
allow tourism from other wings that have legal restrictions around travel.

Further, as schools and places like Disney are showing, you can open the doors, but that doesn't mean people
will show up, and Encampments, especially, have a critical mass of viability, but so do most NCSAs. And of course parents not working, or partially employed, may well not be in a position to be spending hundreds of dollars on an optional activity, on top of being reluctant to send their kids regardless.

My oldest son is on the East coast for his freshman year of college, the decision
was not easy to make, and were it mine alone the answer would have been "no".  Suffice to say the
school itself is awash in a mess of quarantine's, lock-ins, and daily changes to policies as
it struggles to figure out what's worth the risk, what isn't, and who's paying for everything.

And then of course there's the non-trivial issue of venue availability regardless of local restrictions or NHQ's policy. The would be an area where, presumably, "Total Force" could be some help, but realistically,
what base commander with any sense is going to risk getting their entire facility shut down so some
cadets can have an encampment?

The other concern is that, absent any actual information to the contrary, history would show that NHQ is probably focused on Summer 2021, which means decisions "don't have to be made until January", however as the end of the FY approaches, Winter and Spring activities will already have to be considering their options, at this point in a vacuum.

Most estimates are putting a generally available vaccine around the end of the year at the earliest, which doesn't bode well for this issue, nor retention in general, which for those of you scoring at home, is looking like a waterfall since they turned off the expiration moratorium. There are a significant number of cadets, especially, who will not stick around if overnight activities are cancelled for the foreseeable, which could make staffing even harder then it already is, and even if they come back once The Vid is "over" (or there's a steady state of "x"), their progression and training will be delayed at best.

It would be nice to know what the current thinking is, what decisions regarding deadlines are being considered, and maybe even allow stakeholders to be involved in the conversation.



Holding Pattern

Quote from: Eclipse on August 18, 2020, 02:13:58 pmDid not attend, which was why I asked in the firstplace.

One can only imagine the various "reasons" these are beyond a payfreewall, or why NHQ
found it necessary to restrict this content only to "participants".

These should all have been on Youtube with no registration necessary where they would live in perpetuity
with easy access.

The same reason we have some items behind an e-services lock: Not all information is meant for general public's consumption.

Seems silly to have skipped registering given the price though.

Capt Thompson

Even though the conference is over, have you tried registering? I know registrations were allowed during the conference, they may not have disabled registrations yet, in which case you could register and view all of the content for a year.

https://civilairpatrol2020.pathable.co/register-here
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

JC004

I have not watched it yet, but the link to that specific presentation ("Encampment and Overnight Activities During COVID-19") is:

https://civilairpatrol2020.pathable.co/meetings/virtual/DeXGfnCqs74A9Ludu

They also noted that if they couldn't get to a question, e-mail cadets@capnhq..gov

SarDragon

I tried Colgan's link and all I get is spinning wheels. It appears that registration is still possible, but I did not try to complete the process.
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PHall

It came up for me, but I was registered for the conference so I still had an "active" registration still in the system.

etodd

Quote from: Eclipse on August 18, 2020, 12:33:43 amMy personal feeling is that absent a vaccine / effective direct treatment, there is no way NHQ can allow overnights to resume ....

If the vaccine came out today, half the country will not jump to get it. Many will wait a few months or a year, to let others be the 'beta testers'.  Imagine the whole country getting it right away, and then a few months later the CDC saying "whoops!".

May as well just figure CAP will be down all through 2021. I wouldn't even begin to start thinking of overnight events until 2022.

JMHO

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Breathe in, breathe out, move on ..."