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ABU Wing Patches

Started by 8014410, May 02, 2020, 11:57:34 pm

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shuman14

Quote from: Fubar on May 28, 2020, 04:22:43 am
Quote from: shuman14 on May 27, 2020, 08:18:41 pmShould CAP, as the official and only USAF Auxiliary...

That's actually not accurate. Department of Defense Instruction 4650.02 which was released in 2009 converted the Air Force MARS program into an auxiliary. For the past 9 years the Civil Air Patrol has been one of two "official" auxiliaries of the Air Force.

I did not know, thank you, I stand corrected.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

arajca

Instead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

shuman14

Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

THRAWN

Quote from: shuman14 on May 28, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.

Easy. http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-us-navy-black-unisex-garrison-cap-7323.aspx
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kcebnaes

Quote from: THRAWN on May 29, 2020, 12:21:22 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on May 28, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.

Easy. http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-us-navy-black-unisex-garrison-cap-7323.aspx

Use that garrison cap with pin on rank insignia.
Sean Beck, Maj, CAP
Great Lakes Region sUAS Officer
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arajca

Quote from: kcebnaes on May 29, 2020, 01:37:46 pm
Quote from: THRAWN on May 29, 2020, 12:21:22 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on May 28, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.

Easy. http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-us-navy-black-unisex-garrison-cap-7323.aspx

Use that garrison cap with pin on rank insignia.
Naw. Use the SM flight cap device.

GZCP31

Quote from: arajca on May 29, 2020, 03:00:27 pm
Quote from: kcebnaes on May 29, 2020, 01:37:46 pm
Quote from: THRAWN on May 29, 2020, 12:21:22 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on May 28, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.

Easy. http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-us-navy-black-unisex-garrison-cap-7323.aspx

Use that garrison cap with pin on rank insignia.
Naw. Use the SM flight cap device.

The uniform that is being promoted is starting to look like the Young Marines program. Just substitute the "Navy-Black" for Dark Green and you have the uniform.
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arajca

Quote from: GZCP31 on May 29, 2020, 04:20:36 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 29, 2020, 03:00:27 pm
Quote from: kcebnaes on May 29, 2020, 01:37:46 pm
Quote from: THRAWN on May 29, 2020, 12:21:22 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on May 28, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Quote from: arajca on May 28, 2020, 03:11:36 pmInstead of a tan service coat, consider a navy blue or black. These are available through police uniform companies - Police dress uniform jacket.

My original thought was to have an all tan/khaki uniform with the USAF Blue highlights of Hat, tie and belt.

If CAP was to use a black/navy blue service coat we have a three tone tan/black/USAF Blue uniform.

Now ties, belts and barracks (saucer) hats in a black/navy blue to match the coat are easy to find... flight caps to match... not so much.

Easy. http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-us-navy-black-unisex-garrison-cap-7323.aspx

Use that garrison cap with pin on rank insignia.
Naw. Use the SM flight cap device.

The uniform that is being promoted is starting to look like the Young Marines program. Just substitute the "Navy-Black" for Dark Green and you have the uniform.
Well, use grey pants and a white shirt instead of khaki, and a black service coat...

Wait a minute, wasn't that suggested a few years ago?

shuman14

The Young marines Uniform IS the Marine Corps Service Uniform.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

shuman14

Black white and grey is ugly and not really para-military.

An aesthetically pleasing uniform helps recruitment... that would not.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Eclipse

Using any parts of military uniforms from any other service is just as problematic as its always been.

As to the hat(s) - dump them.  They are another unnecessary affectation of a bygone era - wearing a hat is no longer
a social norm, and they serve no mission-focused purpose.

Also, creating a whole new uniform doesn't fix the problem, it only makes it worse.
All the needed pieces exist in the inventory today.



shuman14

Quote from: Eclipse on May 29, 2020, 05:57:49 pmUsing any parts of military uniforms from any other service is just as problematic as its always been.

As to the hat(s) - dump them.  They are another unnecessary affectation of a bygone era - wearing a hat is no longer
a social norm, and they serve no mission-focused purpose.

Also, creating a whole new uniform doesn't fix the problem, it only makes it worse.
All the needed pieces exist in the inventory today.

The military wears hats, their Auxiliaries wear hats. The general public does not. The military and its auxiliaries are not the general public.

I guess you're a status quo kinda guy, don't rock the boat.

Multiple uniforms in one formation looks like a circus.

One senior member uniform would go a long way to add to the professionalism and appearance of the Organization.

Maybe the simpler route is to get the USAF to lift their height/weight and grooming standards for CAP.

The Coast Guard pretty much does that with the USCG Auxiliary. Plenty of overweight and bearded Auxies.

If CAP could get that concession then USAF style uniforms would be the sole choice.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

SarDragon

The horse is dead.

Bye.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
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