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Flight suit name tag

Started by jb3, April 01, 2020, 06:29:05 am

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shuman14

Slightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
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Eclipse

June 17, 2020, 03:07:21 pm #41 Last Edit: June 17, 2020, 03:12:06 pm by Eclipse
Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pm...are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

No.



usaf_defender

Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pmSlightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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PHall

Quote from: usaf_defender on June 18, 2020, 11:22:38 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pmSlightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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In the Active Duty/Reserve/Air Guard, per AFI 36-2903, Para A6.4.2 "Both officer and enlisted rank insignia on the Leather A-2 Flying Jacket is on the tag only. ( see paragraph A6.5.2.2 )."

Paragraph A6.5.2.2 " Leather A-2 Flying Jacket Accoutrements Nametag. The nametag is 2 x 4 inches, brown or black leather, simulated leather. Emboss with wings or qualifying badge, first and last name, rank, and USAF."

JC004

Quote from: DocJekyll on June 17, 2020, 12:52:19 pmThe one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.
I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

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Okayish Aviator

Quote from: JC004 on June 24, 2020, 01:04:10 am
Quote from: DocJekyll on June 17, 2020, 12:52:19 pmThe one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.
I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

I've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.
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JC004

If I talk to them on the phone again, I'll try to raise the issue. 

in my grandfather's photos, the uniforms generally look so good and consistent.  :-(

JC004

June 26, 2020, 09:00:40 pm #48 Last Edit: June 27, 2020, 01:52:23 am by JC004
I raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.  ;D  I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.

usaf_defender

Quote from: JC004 on June 26, 2020, 09:00:40 pmI raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.  ;D  I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.
Glad you're doing that. People's positioning of the majcom Velcro drives me nuts. Too low, too high, or practically a shoulder patch.


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JC004

Quote from: NIN on June 27, 2020, 09:02:21 pmHe's stealing business from me. Lol.

Freeing you up for wing duties, I call it.

JohhnyD

Can someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!

Slim

Quote from: JohhnyD on June 28, 2020, 10:13:46 pmCan someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!
Good luck



Slim

Okayish Aviator

Quote from: Slim on June 29, 2020, 01:08:44 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on June 28, 2020, 10:13:46 pmCan someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!
Good luck

Now that the official ones are out, you're better off just going that route to avoid issues.

Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.
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Eclipse

NHQ gets no pass from me on quality or specification issues, but this is one of
the reasons that "uniformity" is a four-letter word in CAP.

Just buy it from VG and move on.



PHall

I just received mine a couple of days ago. Quality is "alright", not spectacular, not terrible.
Corners are not rounded but it's functional and it's doesn't look like crap.
I've brought and paid for worse.

Hawk200

Quote from: Okayish Aviator on June 25, 2020, 11:24:42 amI've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.

Seems to be the easiest way to go.

Now, let's pray not nothing interferes with the common sense.

Hawk200

Quote from: Okayish Aviator on July 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am...
Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

And, its messed up that it's even a worry. Volunteers should be able to use least expensive options.

Hawk200

Hopefully, I'll be rejoining in the next month or three, but have a suspicion that it may take a bit before I get rank back.

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

Since cadets have to put "Cadet" on the tag, shouldn't be too much confusion if rank isn't on the tag.

Wouldn't want to have to get a tag, and then replace it within a few months.

I'll dig in 39-1, but was curious as to thoughts on it.