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Flight suit name tag

Started by jb3, April 01, 2020, 06:29:05 am

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PHall

Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on June 02, 2020, 06:52:28 pmYou guys are overthinking it, VG makes what NHQ tells them to make, if it's harder to make they'll just sell it for more. The photo in CAPR 39-1 Figure A6-3 Pg 143 shows squared off corners, so they made squared corners. 

Probably because they just used the exact same specs they use on the leather name tags.

Cloth flightsuit name tags with square corners are not unheard of. The Navy and Marine Corps use them.
It's just that the Air Force uses the rounded corners on theirs.

supertigerCH

June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 am #21 Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 05:13:05 am by supertigerCH
Quote from: DocJekyll on June 02, 2020, 12:34:30 pm
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 02, 2020, 02:44:11 ami wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 

OR

if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

So, I'll make a complete SWAG here but I think it's intentional. It could be both. But lets look at some similar things we see. Below is a picture of the recently launched Bob Behnken who is a USAF Col and NASA astronaut. Although he's clearly AF, he's also part of a civilian gov agency. On his flight suit, we've also got squared off corners. Same goes for Doug Hurley and his flight suit name patch.

It makes sense in a weird way, but either way you slice it that's what we got. Now if only Vanguard would make the quality of their products a bit more consistent I think we'd all be happy with it... or you know maybe not have an exclusive deal with one company.




yeah... these are all pretty good explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

SarDragon

Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.
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PHall

Quote from: SarDragon on June 09, 2020, 12:40:40 am
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.

I've seen a lot of Navy and Marine Corps personnel in flight suits that had cloth name tags on them.
I "think" the leather tags are mostly worn by folks still in the training pipeline.
They haven't reached their unit yet.

supertigerCH

June 09, 2020, 05:10:55 am #24 Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 05:18:37 am by supertigerCH
Quote from: SarDragon on June 09, 2020, 12:40:40 am
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.


Yes, you are correct that would have been too general... 

thus, was the reason i didn't say all those in military services  :) 


leather name tags certainly can still be found being worn... even though the trend has been toward the cloth versions

PHall

The one place you will always see leather name tags is on a leather jacket.

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Received my name tags fresh from Vanguard in today's mail.
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Quote from: Eclipse on June 15, 2020, 08:56:27 pmThere are three "E's" in "Creed"?


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Mine arrived today. The quality is ok, stitching on the letters could be better and there is a small hump between the wings and name, but other than that I think they are an improvement over the old leather patch.
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SARDOC

QuoteCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

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Do the NCOs wear grade on the shoulders of the flight suit?

Capt Thompson

Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Officers wear grade on the shoulders of their flight suits but NCO's don't.
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Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
CAPR 39-1 8.2.3. Grade Insignia. paraphrased
You do not wear grade on the FDU unless you are an officer. (Cadets and NCOs do not wear grade)


As an officer you have your grade on the shoulders.
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audiododd

Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.
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Slim

Got mine today, and they look good, embroidery is ok.  Only issue is that I ordered four, but they only sent three.

Already emailed them.



Slim

PHall

Quote from: audiododd on June 16, 2020, 07:56:58 pm
Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.

Officer grade insignia is sewn on on military flight suits and is not removable.
This is to comply with the Geneva Accords regarding POW's.
At least that's what they told us in the Air Force during out annual Law of Armed Conflict classes.

usaf_defender

Quote from: audiododd on June 16, 2020, 07:56:58 pm
Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.
You're correct. That's the practice in the Air Force.


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The one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.

There was never plastic encased for flight officers so that is likely the reason the option is on the name patch. The regulation does not address it. I'm sure if USAF still had Warrant/Flight Officers, we'd have something to go on. Likely this is another example of an oversight.

Personally I think for Flight Officers, throw that rank on the shoulders, and wear the name patch with no rank. Prevents you from having to purchase a new namepatch later. All you have to do is change the shoulders.

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