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Flight suit name tag

Started by jb3, April 01, 2020, 06:29:05 am

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jb3

April 01, 2020, 06:29:05 am Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 09:36:38 am by jb3
I didn't want to start a new thread but I'm kind of excited about my new name tags and wanted to share. The picture on the blue BDU is for reference. Overall I'm happy with the quality and price. I will make some tweaks on the next round.

usaf_defender

Looks good!  I suspect the final Vanguard ones will have rounded corners but I do like the color scheme that was chosen. If only we could tone done the colors on the CAP Command Patch. Not subdued but definitely darker.


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Okayish Aviator

Love it. I'll be ordering a few as soon as they become available.

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I did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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Quote from: LATORRECA on April 10, 2020, 11:54:37 pmI did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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Quote from: usaf_defender on April 11, 2020, 05:25:15 pm
Quote from: LATORRECA on April 10, 2020, 11:54:37 pmI did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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I know I wouldn't. I don't want any other companies getting a C&D. But, that said, they may look slightly different from the official one once they're released so they may be useless. Best to just wait.
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Hawk200

Quote from: jb3 on April 01, 2020, 06:29:05 amI didn't want to start a new thread but I'm kind of excited about my new name tags and wanted to share. The picture on the blue BDU is for reference. Overall I'm happy with the quality and price. I will make some tweaks on the next round.

Those look more like old Army Air Corps observer wings than CAP wings.

jb3

Yea, the next round will be a little better. But I can't complain for $4. The shop I go to here in Korea has high quality equipment so I'll make sure they have a better graphic to work with next time. Super friendly shop with quick service.

LATORRECA

Quote from: jb3 on April 15, 2020, 08:30:19 amYea, the next round will be a little better. But I can't complain for $4. The shop I go to here in Korea has high quality equipment so I'll make sure they have a better graphic to work with next time. Super friendly shop with quick service.
It looks good for $4.. I used al local shop, did the order and accepted. As someone mentioned, I keep it quite into order to avoid C&D order...

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usaf_defender

Looks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem




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May 30, 2020, 11:38:22 pm #10 Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 11:49:22 pm by DocJekyll
Quote from: usaf_defender on May 30, 2020, 01:27:07 pmLooks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem




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Loving that Vanguard quality! lol.

The ones I made were far higher quality...



Note: size variation is just angle of camera. They are perfectly identical and appropriate size.
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usaf_defender

May 31, 2020, 12:15:36 am #11 Last Edit: May 31, 2020, 01:41:20 am by usaf_defender
Those looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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LATORRECA

Quote from: usaf_defender on May 31, 2020, 12:15:36 amThose looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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And. Much likely for half of the price. Vanguard 14.50 and the other source is $4.00 per..


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CAPJOE

Quote from: usaf_defender on May 30, 2020, 01:27:07 pmLooks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem



I can't figure out why these are $4 more than the current leather ones. You'd think that cloth would be cheaper.

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SarDragon

Embroidery is a more expensive process. The machinery costs more, the name tags take longer to make, and the process is more labor intensive.
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supertigerCH

i wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 


OR


if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 


Okayish Aviator

Quote from: supertigerCH on June 02, 2020, 02:44:11 ami wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 

OR

if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

So, I'll make a complete SWAG here but I think it's intentional. It could be both. But lets look at some similar things we see. Below is a picture of the recently launched Bob Behnken who is a USAF Col and NASA astronaut. Although he's clearly AF, he's also part of a civilian gov agency. On his flight suit, we've also got squared off corners. Same goes for Doug Hurley and his flight suit name patch.

It makes sense in a weird way, but either way you slice it that's what we got. Now if only Vanguard would make the quality of their products a bit more consistent I think we'd all be happy with it... or you know maybe not have an exclusive deal with one company.

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Quote from: LATORRECA on May 31, 2020, 04:39:37 am
Quote from: usaf_defender on May 31, 2020, 12:15:36 amThose looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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And. Much likely for half of the price. Vanguard 14.50 and the other source is $4.00 per..


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Correction I bought 2 for $9.00 each. Paid 18.00 plus shipping. I think their still cheaper than VG...just to clarify....my mistake on the comment above.

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PHall

Personally I think Vanguard went with the square corners because it's easier for them.

Capt Thompson

You guys are overthinking it, VG makes what NHQ tells them to make, if it's harder to make they'll just sell it for more. The photo in CAPR 39-1 Figure A6-3 Pg 143 shows squared off corners, so they made squared corners. 
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PHall

Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on June 02, 2020, 06:52:28 pmYou guys are overthinking it, VG makes what NHQ tells them to make, if it's harder to make they'll just sell it for more. The photo in CAPR 39-1 Figure A6-3 Pg 143 shows squared off corners, so they made squared corners. 

Probably because they just used the exact same specs they use on the leather name tags.

Cloth flightsuit name tags with square corners are not unheard of. The Navy and Marine Corps use them.
It's just that the Air Force uses the rounded corners on theirs.

supertigerCH

June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 am #21 Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 05:13:05 am by supertigerCH
Quote from: DocJekyll on June 02, 2020, 12:34:30 pm
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 02, 2020, 02:44:11 ami wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 

OR

if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

So, I'll make a complete SWAG here but I think it's intentional. It could be both. But lets look at some similar things we see. Below is a picture of the recently launched Bob Behnken who is a USAF Col and NASA astronaut. Although he's clearly AF, he's also part of a civilian gov agency. On his flight suit, we've also got squared off corners. Same goes for Doug Hurley and his flight suit name patch.

It makes sense in a weird way, but either way you slice it that's what we got. Now if only Vanguard would make the quality of their products a bit more consistent I think we'd all be happy with it... or you know maybe not have an exclusive deal with one company.




yeah... these are all pretty good explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

SarDragon

Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.
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PHall

Quote from: SarDragon on June 09, 2020, 12:40:40 am
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.

I've seen a lot of Navy and Marine Corps personnel in flight suits that had cloth name tags on them.
I "think" the leather tags are mostly worn by folks still in the training pipeline.
They haven't reached their unit yet.

supertigerCH

June 09, 2020, 05:10:55 am #24 Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 05:18:37 am by supertigerCH
Quote from: SarDragon on June 09, 2020, 12:40:40 am
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 amyeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it. :)

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.


Yes, you are correct that would have been too general... 

thus, was the reason i didn't say all those in military services  :) 


leather name tags certainly can still be found being worn... even though the trend has been toward the cloth versions

PHall

The one place you will always see leather name tags is on a leather jacket.

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Quote from: Eclipse on June 15, 2020, 08:56:27 pmThere are three "E's" in "Creed"?


Where are you seeing 3 letter E's in my last name?
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Capt Thompson



Mine arrived today. The quality is ok, stitching on the letters could be better and there is a small hump between the wings and name, but other than that I think they are an improvement over the old leather patch.
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SARDOC

QuoteCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

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Do the NCOs wear grade on the shoulders of the flight suit?

Capt Thompson

Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Officers wear grade on the shoulders of their flight suits but NCO's don't.
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Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
CAPR 39-1 8.2.3. Grade Insignia. paraphrased
You do not wear grade on the FDU unless you are an officer. (Cadets and NCOs do not wear grade)


As an officer you have your grade on the shoulders.
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Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.
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Slim

Got mine today, and they look good, embroidery is ok.  Only issue is that I ordered four, but they only sent three.

Already emailed them.



Slim

PHall

Quote from: audiododd on June 16, 2020, 07:56:58 pm
Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.

Officer grade insignia is sewn on on military flight suits and is not removable.
This is to comply with the Geneva Accords regarding POW's.
At least that's what they told us in the Air Force during out annual Law of Armed Conflict classes.

usaf_defender

Quote from: audiododd on June 16, 2020, 07:56:58 pm
Quote from: SARDOC on June 16, 2020, 07:47:24 pm
Quote from: undefinedCloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 
Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.
You're correct. That's the practice in the Air Force.


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The one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.

There was never plastic encased for flight officers so that is likely the reason the option is on the name patch. The regulation does not address it. I'm sure if USAF still had Warrant/Flight Officers, we'd have something to go on. Likely this is another example of an oversight.

Personally I think for Flight Officers, throw that rank on the shoulders, and wear the name patch with no rank. Prevents you from having to purchase a new namepatch later. All you have to do is change the shoulders.

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shuman14

Slightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
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Eclipse

June 17, 2020, 03:07:21 pm #41 Last Edit: June 17, 2020, 03:12:06 pm by Eclipse
Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pm...are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

No.



usaf_defender

Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pmSlightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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Quote from: usaf_defender on June 18, 2020, 11:22:38 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on June 17, 2020, 03:05:39 pmSlightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather?  ???
On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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In the Active Duty/Reserve/Air Guard, per AFI 36-2903, Para A6.4.2 "Both officer and enlisted rank insignia on the Leather A-2 Flying Jacket is on the tag only. ( see paragraph A6.5.2.2 )."

Paragraph A6.5.2.2 " Leather A-2 Flying Jacket Accoutrements Nametag. The nametag is 2 x 4 inches, brown or black leather, simulated leather. Emboss with wings or qualifying badge, first and last name, rank, and USAF."

JC004

Quote from: DocJekyll on June 17, 2020, 12:52:19 pmThe one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.
I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

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Okayish Aviator

Quote from: JC004 on June 24, 2020, 01:04:10 am
Quote from: DocJekyll on June 17, 2020, 12:52:19 pmThe one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.
I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

I've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.
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JC004

If I talk to them on the phone again, I'll try to raise the issue. 

in my grandfather's photos, the uniforms generally look so good and consistent.  :-(

JC004

June 26, 2020, 09:00:40 pm #48 Last Edit: June 27, 2020, 01:52:23 am by JC004
I raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.  ;D  I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.

usaf_defender

Quote from: JC004 on June 26, 2020, 09:00:40 pmI raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.  ;D  I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.
Glad you're doing that. People's positioning of the majcom Velcro drives me nuts. Too low, too high, or practically a shoulder patch.


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Quote from: NIN on June 27, 2020, 09:02:21 pmHe's stealing business from me. Lol.

Freeing you up for wing duties, I call it.

JohhnyD

Can someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!

Slim

Quote from: JohhnyD on June 28, 2020, 10:13:46 pmCan someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!
Good luck



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Okayish Aviator

Quote from: Slim on June 29, 2020, 01:08:44 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on June 28, 2020, 10:13:46 pmCan someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!
Good luck

Now that the official ones are out, you're better off just going that route to avoid issues.

Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.
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Eclipse

NHQ gets no pass from me on quality or specification issues, but this is one of
the reasons that "uniformity" is a four-letter word in CAP.

Just buy it from VG and move on.



PHall

I just received mine a couple of days ago. Quality is "alright", not spectacular, not terrible.
Corners are not rounded but it's functional and it's doesn't look like crap.
I've brought and paid for worse.

Hawk200

Quote from: Okayish Aviator on June 25, 2020, 11:24:42 amI've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.

Seems to be the easiest way to go.

Now, let's pray not nothing interferes with the common sense.

Hawk200

Quote from: Okayish Aviator on July 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am...
Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

And, its messed up that it's even a worry. Volunteers should be able to use least expensive options.

Hawk200

Hopefully, I'll be rejoining in the next month or three, but have a suspicion that it may take a bit before I get rank back.

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

Since cadets have to put "Cadet" on the tag, shouldn't be too much confusion if rank isn't on the tag.

Wouldn't want to have to get a tag, and then replace it within a few months.

I'll dig in 39-1, but was curious as to thoughts on it.

Capt Thompson

Quote from: Hawk200 on July 29, 2020, 04:39:36 pmHopefully, I'll be rejoining in the next month or three, but have a suspicion that it may take a bit before I get rank back.

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

Since cadets have to put "Cadet" on the tag, shouldn't be too much confusion if rank isn't on the tag.

Wouldn't want to have to get a tag, and then replace it within a few months.

I'll dig in 39-1, but was curious as to thoughts on it.

There isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

Hawk200

Quote from: Capt Thompson on July 29, 2020, 05:21:00 pmThere isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.

Been eight years. Was a Major. Have Level 3 at the time. I think you have to have Level 4 now. I had one thing to do for Level 4 then, but don't know what's needed now. If I can just complete requirement, I'll finish it, and hopefully be able to get Major back.

As to the tag, thanks for the info on that. I'll order one in a few weeks. Would like to get back in the air as soon as I can. Having a proper uniform would be good.

Anyone know which wings are available to order?

Capt Thompson

Quote from: Hawk200 on July 29, 2020, 06:56:16 pm
Quote from: Capt Thompson on July 29, 2020, 05:21:00 pmThere isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.

Been eight years. Was a Major. Have Level 3 at the time. I think you have to have Level 4 now. I had one thing to do for Level 4 then, but don't know what's needed now. If I can just complete requirement, I'll finish it, and hopefully be able to get Major back.

As to the tag, thanks for the info on that. I'll order one in a few weeks. Would like to get back in the air as soon as I can. Having a proper uniform would be good.

Anyone know which wings are available to order?


Correct, you would have to complete Level IV and then request reinstatement to Major, otherwise with Level III you would have railroad tracks again. Requirements for the levels are changing 4 Aug so unless you already have RSC and can finish Level IV quickly, you will have to go by the new requirements.

As for the new flight suit tag, you can get any currently authorized wings added, but you are now limited to one badge, so you couldn't do pilot and ground team on the same badge like you could with the old leather badges.
Capt Matt Thompson
Deputy Commander for Cadets, Historian, Public Affairs Officer

Mitchell - 31 OCT 98 (#44670) Earhart - 1 OCT 00 (#11401)

NovemberWhiskey

Quote from: Hawk200 on July 29, 2020, 04:39:36 pmAnybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

The tenor of the regulation is that members without grade pursuing officer rank wear things like those with officer grade (e.g. US cutouts on service coat, officer-style flight cap), so I would get the no-grade cloth badge.

Hawk200

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on July 30, 2020, 06:27:20 pmThe tenor of the regulation is that members without grade pursuing officer rank wear things like those with officer grade (e.g. US cutouts on service coat, officer-style flight cap), so I would get the no-grade cloth badge.

Perfect. Still have the officer items from last time, so won't need much. Basically, just use my old uniforms after I pull rank off.

Kinda looking forward to the cloth nametag. Always liked them. (Looking for a source to do my my wings. Vanguard won't do them.)

SARDOC

Quote from: Hawk200 on July 29, 2020, 04:32:13 pm
Quote from: Okayish Aviator on July 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am...
Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

And, its messed up that it's even a worry. Volunteers should be able to use least expensive options.

Being "Messed up" is an indicator that it's a legit Vanguard Product.  I'd be worried the giveaway would be if it was "too Perfect"