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sUAS Progress in Ops Quals

Started by etodd, April 01, 2020, 03:44:46 am

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etodd

In Ops Quals, under the Pilot heading, you'll now see sUAS. The page for Form 5u is there. And you also see the sUAS SQTR Worksheet under the SQTR link.  Don't start filling it out just yet. The SETs need to be grandfathered into the system to start validating people.  You can start uploading your F5u, Questionnaire, SQTR, F91u, and Part 107 certificate. Its all coming together soon now.
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1st Lt Thompson

Noticed there are two new FEMA courses on the new SQTR's, something to knock out while on self isolation:

IS-3: Radiological Emergency Management - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-3
IS-5.A: An Introduction to Hazardous Materials - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-5.a
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MacGruff

Do those two FEMA courses carry over to the CAP Ops equivalents?

Is it a matter of taking them, like IS-200, say, and then uploading the certificate to prove completion and get the credit?

1st Lt Thompson

Quote from: MacGruff on April 07, 2020, 07:08:29 pmDo those two FEMA courses carry over to the CAP Ops equivalents?

Is it a matter of taking them, like IS-200, say, and then uploading the certificate to prove completion and get the credit?


Yes, they have added them into Ops Quals, so you can upload your certificates just like 100, 200 etc.
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1st Lt Thompson

Also, if you haven't yet done Aircrew Professionalism, that's a requirement for the sUAS specialties as well, you can find that in AXIS. I took both of the FEMA courses, they are pretty dry and IS-3 is kind of detailed so take notes, IS-5a is long and boring but the exam isn't as bad, it's a lot of common sense.
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etodd

April 07, 2020, 07:55:15 pm #5 Last Edit: April 07, 2020, 07:58:28 pm by etodd
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on April 07, 2020, 06:36:31 pmNoticed there are two new FEMA courses on the new SQTR's, something to knock out while on self isolation:

IS-3: Radiological Emergency Management - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-3
IS-5.A: An Introduction to Hazardous Materials - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-5.a

Not new. Have been on the SQTR since Fall of 2018.

Its a total of SIX  FEMA courses for sUAS. Plus getting the Part 107.  Its a heavy commitment getting all of that done in order to be a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot.  I have had many people interested in the program in our Wing, but once they see the list of things to do before they can actually fly ..... crickets. Only the dedicated work through it.
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1st Lt Thompson

Quote from: etodd on April 07, 2020, 07:55:15 pmIts a total of SIX  FEMA courses for sUAS. Plus getting the Part 107.  Its a heavy commitment getting all of that done in order to be a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot.  I have had many people interested in the program in our Wing, but once they see the list of things to do before they can actually fly ..... crickets. Only the dedicated work through it.

True, it is a lot if you are new to ES, but if you are qualified elsewhere you should have most of them already. For those wondering, here is the list:

General Emergency Services CAPT 116
ES Continuing Education CAPT 117 Part 2
Introductory Communications User Training (online portion can be done now, practical will have to wait for one on one)
Aircrew Professionalism - In the new AXIS system in LMS
IS-100.C: Intro to the Incident Command System - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-100.c
IS-200.C: Basic Incident Command System for Initial Response - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-200.c
IS-700.B: An Introduction to the National Incident Management System - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-700.b
IS-800.C: National Response Framework, an Introduction - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-800.c
IS-3: Radiological Emergency Management - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-3
IS-5.A: An Introduction to Hazardous Materials - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-5.a

It is a lot, but many of our members have a lot of time on their hands right about now!
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etodd

April 07, 2020, 08:21:17 pm #7 Last Edit: April 07, 2020, 08:32:21 pm by etodd
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on April 07, 2020, 08:07:47 pmTrue, it is a lot if you are new to ES, but if you are qualified elsewhere you should have most of them already.

Yep. So far all the sUAS MPs in my Wing are also airplane MPs.  They already have the first 4 FEMA courses. And can get the free Part 107 with just a simple, open book, online test.  Makes it much easier.

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PHall

Quote from: etodd on April 07, 2020, 07:55:15 pm
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on April 07, 2020, 06:36:31 pmNoticed there are two new FEMA courses on the new SQTR's, something to knock out while on self isolation:

IS-3: Radiological Emergency Management - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-3
IS-5.A: An Introduction to Hazardous Materials - https://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-5.a

Not new. Have been on the SQTR since Fall of 2018.

Its a total of SIX  FEMA courses for sUAS. Plus getting the Part 107.  Its a heavy commitment getting all of that done in order to be a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot.  I have had many people interested in the program in our Wing, but once they see the list of things to do before they can actually fly ..... crickets. Only the dedicated work through it.

Gee, just like all the hoops you have to jump through to become a Mission Pilot.
What a coincidence!!!

etodd

Quote from: PHall on April 07, 2020, 11:17:13 pmGee, just like all the hoops you have to jump through to become a Mission Pilot.
What a coincidence!!!

Exactly. Was planned that way from the beginning.  The price of admission to the airplanes for a Senior is getting your PPL on your own. Same with sUAS, get your Part 107, on your own. Yes, everything in sUAS is deliberately patterned after the aircraft side. F5u, SQTR, F91u, etc.
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Holding Pattern

I've got everything but the 107 out of the way. I just need a few extra hours per week, if anyone can find them send them this way, thanks in advance

MacGruff

I'm actually looking at the technician side ... not interested in the piloting part (heresy around here, I know!    :o    )

Same requirements thought. Already knocked out most of the IS classes, and found out that I can do the "new-ish" IS ones as well. Thanks for the confirmation.

Good way to spend the extra time since I am not running to squadron meetings or my other CAP responsibilities these days.

CAP9907

Quote from: MacGruff on April 10, 2020, 08:10:22 pmI'm actually looking at the technician side ... not interested in the piloting part (heresy around here, I know!    :o    )

Same requirements thought. Already knocked out most of the IS classes, and found out that I can do the "new-ish" IS ones as well. Thanks for the confirmation.

Good way to spend the extra time since I am not running to squadron meetings or my other CAP responsibilities these days.


You're not alone, I've got no interest in piloting but the Tech/support side seems more interesting to me.

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BJD

Quote from: CAP9907 on April 10, 2020, 08:44:27 pmYou're not alone, I've got no interest in piloting but the Tech/support side seems more interesting to me.

Piloting UAS for CAP will be more interesting when we progress to more capable platforms.

etodd

Quote from: BJD on April 10, 2020, 09:59:00 pmPiloting UAS for CAP will be more interesting when we progress to more capable platforms.

The DJI gear we use for training, is quite fine for its squadron level purpose.

We 'are' using more capable gear on some actual missions. That gear comes out in the field.

For local use, even the DJI gear can do quite a good job when it comes to flying patterns for SAR, or flying photo missions for disaster situations for your local agencies.
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BJD

Quote from: etodd on April 12, 2020, 02:57:33 am
QuotePiloting UAS for CAP will be more interesting when we progress to more capable platforms.

The DJI gear we use for training, is quite fine for its squadron level purpose.

We 'are' using more capable gear on some actual missions. That gear comes out in the field.

For local use, even the DJI gear can do quite a good job when it comes to flying patterns for SAR, or flying photo missions for disaster situations for your local agencies.

Your definition of "more capable" and mine are different, but that's OK.

etodd

April 13, 2020, 06:46:51 pm #16 Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 07:51:56 pm by etodd
Quote from: BJD on April 13, 2020, 04:41:13 pmYour definition of "more capable" and mine are different, but that's OK.

 I'm sure we are actually on the same page. It's just the realities of the situation. Especially budgetary ones. Until the Air Force gives our sUAS program a budget closer to what we have for new Cessnas every year, will just have to work with what we have. LOL

 There is some really nice gear at headquarters, and talk of getting some nice gear at region level soon, but region level would have the gear many hours away from some locations. It may all come in time, but will take a huge budget before we can have heavy lifting drones with FLIR capability at every squadron. 
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TheSkyHornet

I'm not a CAP ES guy. I know minimal, at best, about the ongoings of any of it.

Is there a requirements outline that quantifies what "mission capable" is depending on various scenarios? Like a briefing/inspection card for scaled missions involving x-variable?

etodd

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on April 13, 2020, 06:58:56 pmI'm not a CAP ES guy. I know minimal, at best, about the ongoings of any of it.

Is there a requirements outline that quantifies what "mission capable" is depending on various scenarios? Like a briefing/inspection card for scaled missions involving x-variable?

Good question. And I can see how it would a good thing for Incident Commanders so they would know what to ask for in certain situations.  But on the other hand, before a document of that type could be formulated, passed up and down the chain, and then get actually implemented ... it would already be outdated and useless. LOL

Its something that in an event, the IC would ask the DOu "what do we have that could work in this situation?"  There are just so many variables.

For a simple missing person search during the daytime, a small $1500 drone can do an incredible job. When it gets dark, you need the much more expensive heavy lifter with FLIR or some type of thermal detection.

Post disaster, tornado, flood, hurricane .... again the cheap drone can get great results in small defined areas, to go along with the wide swatches collected by APs in the Cessnas. But if they need medium size areas and ortho mapping type work, then larger fixed wing drones may be the best tool.

Technology changing everyday. It will take large budgets for CAP to keep up. Especially if we want gear at Squadron level for immediate use, and not have to wait for gear to be transported 300 miles away.  The cheaper DJIs that some Wings and Squadrons are buying for training, can be used to assist local agencies for some basic uses as above.

Its a program in its infancy. First order of business is to see how many Part 107 holders we can get involved in every Wing, and get them signed off as sUAS Mission Pilots. Even though we are almost 2 years into this, the numbers of people interested enough to get their Part 107 and work through the requirements are lower than I would have thought. We need as many sUAS MPs as we have Cessna MPs, if not more.

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etodd

The SETs for sUAS SQTRs are being setup a Wing at a time. Should proceed quickly. In my Wing I have already entered the data for the first few MPs and Techs, and everything is flowing through the channels for validation. Working on the rest now to get us up to date. It now shows up on their 101 Cards, and in eServices reports.

Took about 18 months, but its here.

(In CAP time, that might be fairly quick.)
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