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First-Year Member - Frustrated

Started by Exosphere, February 13, 2020, 03:48:27 pm

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catrulz

February 14, 2020, 08:15:53 pm #20 Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 08:36:26 pm by catrulz
@militaryspouse

It's difficult to comment without knowing the exact circumstances of your promotion.  Was it a Post Level I, 6 month Duty Performance Promotion to 2ndLT?  If it was, the Squadron Commander is the promoting authority.  These promotions are suppose to process fairly simply (Sqdn CC approves, NHQ processes).  Usually when these promotions don't process there is another issue.  But not sure how or why the Group Commander got involved (or Wing, you could imagine how this could go by Wing and they would ignore it since their approval is not required.

On the other hand if this was a special promotion as in the case of the OP, last I knew, these could not be submitted online.  Haven't personnel in a while, so perhaps there's been an upgrade to promotion module.  I'm fairly knowledgeable on personnel policies and procedures.

The CAPF 2 would have been correct for a special promotion and does require Wing Approval.  I'll have to go look at the reg, but I believe for you to receive the special as AE educator, it seemed like you had to assigned to the AE specialty track.  In the day I would have never submitted a special promotion CAPF 2 without checking CAPR 35-5 just to make sure all my ducks were in a row.  Don't think I have ever had a military grade appointment or special promotion returned to my unit.  It really baffles me how this can happen!

1.5.7.First  and  Second  Lieutenant.  The  squadron  commander  is  the  promoting  authority  for  all  members assigned to his or   her unit for all promotions except professional appointment promotions.  The wing commander is the approving authority for all professional appointment and squadron commander promotions.

Well Evidently you can submit special online now:

1.8.2.Duty performance promotions may be processed on-line or   by submitting a CAPF 2, Request for Promotion  Action.  On-line  promotions  may  be  initiated  by  the  personnel  officer  or  any  member  designated  by  the  unit  commander  and  provided  permission  by  the  web  security  administrator.  Once  initiated  online,  the  promotion  request  will  be  automatically  forwarded  to  the  unit  commander  for  approval.  Upon approval of   the unit commander, the promotion will be automatically forwarded through the  chain  of  command  to  the  approving  authority  for  final  action.  When  this  approval  is  complete  the  member's record will be automatically updated. Commanders may print a copy of the on-line promotion screen to place in the members personnel file.  The promotion will be effective on the date the promotion request  is  validated  by  the  final  approving  authority.  Individuals  not  wishing  to  use  the  on-line  duty  performance promotion system may submit a CAPF 2 in sufficient copies to allow each approving echelon to  retain  a  copy  and  to  provide  National  Headquarters  with  one  copy.  The  procedure  will  follow  that  outlined in paragraphs 1.8.3.1. and 1.8.3.2. below.

Eclipse

Quote from: catrulz on February 14, 2020, 08:15:53 pmIt's difficult to comment without knowing the exact circumstances of your promotion.

This is not regarding a promotion.

Quote from: militaryspouse on February 14, 2020, 06:00:42 pmI have earned a Senior Technician rating and am waiting for another conference to earn my level III while volunteering for every event. My CAP2F is lost and have been told to reapply. 

Quote from: catrulz on February 14, 2020, 08:15:53 pmIf it was, the Squadron Commander is the promoting authority.  These promotions are suppose to process fairly simply (Sqdn CC approves, NHQ processes new grade is effective immediately).

FTFY
Duty performance promotions are effective immediately when the final approving authority clicks the button.
NHQ is not involved.



militaryspouse

I am sorry.  I guess I was unclear.  I did get my senior technician rating because our PD officer took care of it and made sure to follow through.    My promotion through CAPR 35-5 was "lost".  I made sure I met all the qualifications.  My senior technician rating is in AE and I was an educator with a degree in STEM.

Holding Pattern

If something "got lost" on e-services, I'd call up membership services and ask them if they could track down where the breakdown was.

Having once been in a "he said she said" with 4 separate levels of command across 2 regions about who killed roger rabbit, one phone call to NHQ finally solved that and told me precisely where it all went down.

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 14, 2020, 09:20:56 pmIf something "got lost" on e-services, I'd call up membership services and ask them if they could track down where the breakdown was.

Having once been in a "he said she said" with 4 separate levels of command across 2 regions about who killed roger rabbit, one phone call to NHQ finally solved that and told me precisely where it all went down.
While a lot of us realize that this is probably the best recourse in this case, I'm saddened by the fact that commanders don't live up to the very basic premise of command - take care of your people. 

I've solved many issues like this with a quick call or email, or click of the mouse on eservices. I've pushed back on higher command when regulations were ignored or misapplied to deny/delay promotion requests. 

In every case, especially after reviewing the issue, the regs, and the circumstances, my members received what they were due relatively promptly.

Eclipse

Quote from: militaryspouse on February 14, 2020, 09:12:27 pmI am sorry.  I guess I was unclear.  I did get my senior technician rating because our PD officer took care of it and made sure to follow through.    My promotion through CAPR 35-5 was "lost".  I made sure I met all the qualifications.  My senior technician rating is in AE and I was an educator with a degree in STEM.

OK so there's still a lot going on here.

With "almost a year" TIS, the most you would be eligible for would be 2d Lt, that was at the 6 month mark.
Is that what you are referring to?

If so, that is processed online by the PDO and or CC and is effective immediately.  If your CC sent an F2 to Group,
they probably had no idea why. 1st Lt is the same deal as it's also a unit-level authority promotion. Group doesn't care until Capt.

The LIII requires a year command or staff, so you wouldn't be eligible regardless, though the sooner you can get an assignment the better.  TIS for the Specialty Tracks is subjective at the Unit CC's approval, Staff service is not and needs to be in eservices, you'll also need CLC and two conferences.  If you've been in less then a year,
attended two conferences, SLS & CLC, and can't get a staff job, something is clearly wrong.

Quote from: militaryspouse on February 14, 2020, 09:12:27 pmI did get my senior technician rating because our PD officer took care of it and made sure to follow through.

Let's clear this up as well.

There are three levels of Specialty Tracks:
Technician
Senior
Master

The AE Specialty Track is no slouch in regards to expectations, and the
Senior level requires more time in service then you have been a member,
and further would require that you already have Yeager, which you say you
don't have yet, so things are not adding up here. It would also require
you participated in an SUI and the annual POA.

This confusion, on both your part and your leadership's is likely the root of the issue.

That or we don't have the whole story.



militaryspouse

Quote from: Eclipse on February 14, 2020, 09:42:39 pmWith "almost a year" TIS, the most you would be eligible for would be 2d Lt, that was at the 6 month mark.
Is that what you are referring to?


I am trying to get a promotion to Captain through CAPR 35-5 using my education and experience.  I met all the requirements and submitted documentation to support it.  I am also in the AE track as well as having an AE position in the unit.

Quote from: Eclipse on February 14, 2020, 09:42:39 pmThe AE Specialty Track is no slouch in regards to expectations, and the
Senior level requires more time in service then you have been a member,
and further would require that you already have Yeager, which you say you
don't have yet, so things are not adding up here. It would also require
you participated in an SUI and the annual POA.



I have been around 18 months and have earned my Yeager and participated in an unit self inspection and the annual POA.

Eclipse

Ugh, my bad - I kept referring back to the OP.

So yes, ugh, that would be a 2, and it's time to make noise and not
take "How should I know?" as an answer.