Started by Holding Pattern, January 16, 2020, 05:39:26 pm
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Quote from: PHall on January 16, 2020, 07:43:51 pmHave the State EOC call the National Operations Center (NOC) which IS manned 24/7.They can call the Wing in question. Because they do have the current numbers.
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 16, 2020, 08:04:46 pm... nobody available per the "Call Me" roster.
Quote from: etodd on January 16, 2020, 08:13:37 pmQuote from: TheSkyHornet on January 16, 2020, 08:04:46 pm... nobody available per the "Call Me" roster. My Squadron doesn't use a "call me roster". We send out texts or calls to everyone who has the qualification needed. They can always say no, or ignore.
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 16, 2020, 08:04:46 pmJust want to separate my talking points in my comments--We had a case where our Ground "Team" was called up. We only have one member in the squadron who is current in their GT operational status.
Quote from: Spam on January 16, 2020, 08:53:53 pm(as opposed to a FLAILEX).
Quote from: Spam on January 16, 2020, 08:53:53 pmSeparate issue: DR staging awareness, coordination, and cooperative planning.As part of a cooperative SER/MER team which plans to respond to hurricane DR missions, a series of Area Command conference calls are typically initiated upon the elevation of an alert status (typically strike minus x days). Task flows typically include (from a Georgia Wing example plan):1. Coordination calls. A Wing stakeholder call to ensure we were on the same page before routing in the area command, etc. This included CC, CVs, DC, LG, DES, DOS, and the IC for round one. Goals included ICP options, status of assets, general plans of action, and expectation setting. An item to make very clear is the division of duties between the wing staff and the mission base staff - we set up resources and OPTIONS for the ICs to use, paving roads, and the wing staff will then take a back seat to the mission base when the ICP is set up, unless signed in to the mission, and will be available to pull resources for the IC as needed. Second item of clarity is resourcing proper qualified staff and assets, with delegations, including full staffing of mission base and plans to pass the torch after operational periods (this includes planning for qualified PSCs, etc.).2. Identification of logistics. Using past effectiveness data, we try to ID possible ICPs and/or staging areas pending actual landfall. For an example hurricane strike on coastal GA, Plan 1 is to set up an ICP at Augusta (Daniel Field) - likely strike -2d. We have a squadron there that can provide host facilities, large ramp space for aircraft, and space for the MCV. The squadron commander contacts the airport and airport is happy to have us. Again, pending landfall, Macon and Statesboro are options for staging areas. The goal is to keep us 'out of the muck' where we can provide adequate ICP facilities, fly crews in to stage/deliver SD cards, keep us out of the flow of traffic, hotels, etc. and the local team was on board. Augusta also provides a good base to launch to assist SC if needed. Alternatively, the team works plans 2 and 3 for a Macon and Statesboro bed down and support plan, keeping in mind the logistics of working in an area with massively displaced population (full hotels etc).3. IC and Agency Liaison get most of the key mission base staff requested and they're standing by *with plans for follow on shifts. They reach out to a contact at GEMA (Georgia state EMA) to do a soft inquiry regarding assistance request4. Wing staff LG report back on staging. Wing staff stakeholders provide up to date lists of vehicle status/location, aircraft status/location, camera kit status/location to IC shorten leg work for section chiefs and branches. They closely track aircraft maintenance status (i.e. coming up on summer hurricane season, staff may plan/schedule PM: fresh annuals to prevent aircraft going down when needed). The Wing staff execute either a bed down or HURREVAC (Hurricane Evacuation) plan - aircraft based on the coast/islands are hangared or flown inland. Vehicles on the coast are driven inland before the state issues mandatory evac orders (strike - 3 days or so).5. Set up Area Command and C3I links, and initiate coordination on tasking requests. Create a joint mailbox has been created at (for example), hurricanenamegawg.cap.gov. Add members of the area command. Set up a phone line via the Wing digital phone system (with mailboxes) and place it in the ICP as well. Plan the Area Command call, inviting key SER CC team, MER stakeholders, and whomever the IC wishes to include as well. The team keeps this as a standing call as required per OP, as the ICP stands up and executes taskings.//example endsSo, from my perspective as a recent Wing/CV, there are a multitude of factors and tasks which impact spin up time for a full DR mission response. I thought I'd share some of these examples, to help frame some of the discussion. Having a CONOPS, updating it, and exercising it is paramount. A wing level CONOPS Playbook should provide a set of Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures (TTPs) via action plans, checklists, and resource lists. These plans should be:(1) Negotiated - with our federal, state, and local customers (2) Exercised - as the basis for numbered SAR/DR Exercises (SAREX/DREXs).(3) Updated - based on changes in agreements and as a result of exercises.Every good team needs a playbook so that all the players start the game with a common vision. Playbooks are in standard use in the military and emergency communities. State and local preplans and supporting data are recommended in the National Incident Management System (NIMS) and the National SAR plan, and are also recommended through the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center (AFRCC) SAR School. A DR Playbook sets forth common preplans guiding the conduct of prompt and sustained Disaster Relief (DR) and Search and Rescue (SAR) operations, and provides job aids and resources to execute those plans. See CAPR 60-3 26 DECEMBER 2012, Section 1-5(b)2 requirements for Wings to write and execute preplans based on local history.That's my best recommendation on how to decrease spin up time and proper customer focused response (as opposed to a FLAILEX).V/rSpam
Quote from: xyzzy on January 17, 2020, 11:47:51 amSo what if the wing commander doesn't answer the phone? Perhaps various wings have contingency plans for that, but national policies don't spell out what happens.
Quote from: xyzzy on January 17, 2020, 11:47:51 amI notice a different point of view between how CAP writes about starting up a mission vs. how first response agencies write about starting a response.For CAP, an early step in the process is contacting the wing commander. So what if the wing commander doesn't answer the phone? Perhaps various wings have contingency plans for that, but national policies don't spell out what happens. Wing websites don't spell it out so all the members know who who to call when the wing commander can't be reached.A somewhat later step is to appoint an incident commander, who must have an incident commander qualification.
Quote from: CAP9907 on January 17, 2020, 07:12:02 pmThis is not the case, at least as far as the regulations are concerned. Your Wing may do it that way, but the Wing Commander need not be the first call, or any call at all to start an AFAM. I'd refer you to 60-3 and the C-1 tab of the CI process (on the NHQ IG page). I'm not a CC or deputy at any level, but I am a WAO and IC. When I get the call from AFRCC, I am able to commit the Wings resources and accept the mission on behalf of the CC without involving him. WMIRS 1.0 has every Wings alert roster, and that's what they use to alert. Go check your Wings roster, I'd bet your CC is not on that alert list, as most are not. Of course I'd give him a courtesy call to keep him advised about the event, but the missions do not stop because the CC is in the john , at work, or on a safari.
Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 16, 2020, 05:39:26 pmIn my CERT thread, one comment was made about CAP's long spin-up time for response.Anyone here have thoughts on how to decrease that spin-up time?
Quote from: xyzzy on January 17, 2020, 11:47:51 amFor example, an ambulance is driving down the street and sees a house on fire, so the crew chief is the incident commander until the fire department arrives.
Quote from: etodd on January 18, 2020, 03:23:28 amQuote from: xyzzy on January 17, 2020, 11:47:51 amFor example, an ambulance is driving down the street and sees a house on fire, so the crew chief is the incident commander until the fire department arrives.Yep. Its constantly drilled into us to never "self deploy". Sit back and wait.
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