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Cadet Application - Photo release removed!

Started by JohhnyD, December 17, 2019, 09:29:22 am

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NIN

Quote from: OldGuy on December 17, 2019, 04:14:10 pm
Not wanting their child on social media. Why? Because of an ugly divorce and the fact they are trying to keep a low profile to avoid domestic violence.


I have heard this saw 100 times.

I've dealt with 500+ sets of parents in 10 years as a unit commander.  How many times have I heard this from a parent?  Once.
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Luis R. Ramos

So squadrons that meet in schools, or for that matter in an armory are meeting in a public space? So, the public has to go through a security guard, a safety agent, or a military police. How public is that?

The implication is that not every activity will take place in a public place!



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Eclipse

Actually, all those things you mention are, in fact public spaces. That fact that they may have
more stringent security to protect their occupants doesn't change the nature of privacy laws,
however to your point, in those locations, the host may well have more strict rules about
capturing any photons at all.

In other words, if photos are allowed at all, and CAP members are participating, they are all fair game.




Blanding

Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 17, 2019, 10:01:29 pm
So squadrons that meet in schools, or for that matter in an armory are meeting in a public space? So, the public has to go through a security guard, a safety agent, or a military police. How public is that?

The implication is that not every activity will take place in a public place!


Each of those places has a person responsible for setting policy regarding conduct. Assuming the principal of the school or the installation commander at the armory has not forbidden photography, you are free to take photos.

The distinction between public and private spaces refers to whether a person occupying the space has a reasonable expectation of privacy. You cannot walk up to my apartment window and photograph me through the glass, but if I go to a school (public or private), I have no expectation of privacy there and thus, it's up to the administrator of the facility to set policy.

Eclipse

Quote from: Blanding on December 17, 2019, 10:15:17 pm
The distinction between public and private spaces refers to whether a person occupying the space has a reasonable expectation of privacy. You cannot walk up to my apartment window and photograph me through the glass, but if I go to a school (public or private), I have no expectation of privacy there and thus, it's up to the administrator of the facility to set policy.


This.



Luis R. Ramos

As a public school teacher of 15 years and assistant professor at a college, I was sure I was not in a public place. I could not take photos as I wanted. In fact, there was an expectation of privacy in all those institutions I worked.
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OldGuy

Quote from: NIN on December 17, 2019, 08:31:29 pm
Quote from: OldGuy on December 17, 2019, 04:14:10 pm
Not wanting their child on social media. Why? Because of an ugly divorce and the fact they are trying to keep a low profile to avoid domestic violence.


I have heard this saw 100 times.

I've dealt with 500+ sets of parents in 10 years as a unit commander.  How many times have I heard this from a parent?  Once.

Come to the Inland Northwest. I have heard it, my current CC and my prior two have as well, and frequently.

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Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 17, 2019, 11:36:17 pm
As a public school teacher of 15 years and assistant professor at a college, I was sure I was not in a public place. I could not take photos as I wanted. In fact, there was an expectation of privacy in all those institutions I worked.
And along with that expectation, there were probably rules to back them up. Sans rules, almost anything goes.

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Eclipse

Quote from: OldGuy on December 17, 2019, 11:41:15 pm
Come to the Inland Northwest. I have heard it, my current CC and my prior two have as well, and frequently.


We all have, and plenty more things as well.

When these things come up, you don't gnash teeth or hem and haw, you provide the answer, directly and professionally,
and with no "asides or equivocation" and move on.

Those parents and members are then free to make choices and decisions based on the factual information you provide.

Done.



JohhnyD

Quote from: Eclipse on December 17, 2019, 11:55:48 pm
Quote from: OldGuy on December 17, 2019, 11:41:15 pm
Come to the Inland Northwest. I have heard it, my current CC and my prior two have as well, and frequently.


We all have, and plenty more things as well.

When these things come up, you don't gnash teeth or hem and haw, you provide the answer, directly and professionally,
and with no "asides or equivocation" and move on.

Those parents and members are then free to make choices and decisions based on the factual information you provide.

Done.

But now parents will not have been notified about our policy. We expect them to read our regulations? Again, what braniac thought that up? Why not keep the language we had for years there?

Eclipse

Quote from: JohhnyD on December 18, 2019, 01:53:45 am
But now parents will not have been notified about our policy. We expect them to read our regulations? Again, what braniac thought that up? Why not keep the language we had for years there?


The same reason that 46 of 52 wings are no longer flying counter drug missions.

It's unnecessary.



JohhnyD

Quote from: Eclipse on December 18, 2019, 02:43:06 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on December 18, 2019, 01:53:45 am
But now parents will not have been notified about our policy. We expect them to read our regulations? Again, what braniac thought that up? Why not keep the language we had for years there?


The same reason that 46 of 52 wings are no longer flying counter drug missions.

It's unnecessary.

Really? Respect is now "unnecessary"? Sorry, my cadets deserve better.

JohhnyD

Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 17, 2019, 11:36:17 pm
As a public school teacher of 15 years and assistant professor at a college, I was sure I was not in a public place. I could not take photos as I wanted. In fact, there was an expectation of privacy in all those institutions I worked.

And my parents agree with that view.

Eclipse

Quote from: JohhnyD on December 18, 2019, 03:50:20 am
Quote from: Eclipse on December 18, 2019, 02:43:06 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on December 18, 2019, 01:53:45 am
But now parents will not have been notified about our policy. We expect them to read our regulations? Again, what braniac thought that up? Why not keep the language we had for years there?


The same reason that 46 of 52 wings are no longer flying counter drug missions.

It's unnecessary.

Really? Respect is now "unnecessary"? Sorry, my cadets deserve better.


What "your" cadets deserve is someone focused on something that actually matters,
and who knows how to manage situations when they arise.

And in regards to "respect", perhaps you should ask Braniac.



Eclipse

Quote from: JohhnyD on December 18, 2019, 03:50:56 am
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 17, 2019, 11:36:17 pm
As a public school teacher of 15 years and assistant professor at a college, I was sure I was not in a public place. I could not take photos as I wanted. In fact, there was an expectation of privacy in all those institutions I worked.

And my parents agree with that view.


Then they would be wrong in their view.  The above has nothing to do with CAP.
If you choose to make an activity or area a no photo zone, so be it.  CAP has that issue
everyday on military bases, airport control towers, and other places where the host
restricts photos.

CAP, per se, is not a "no photo zone".  Like it or not.

Making a big deal about this to people who don't care creates a problem that doesn't exist.



JohhnyD

Quote from: Eclipse on December 18, 2019, 03:59:15 am
Then they would be wrong in their view. 

That lack of respect says it all. Q.E.D.

ZigZag911

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

It's an issue. Clarify our policy, state it in writing,  emphasize with all new members (and parents/guardians for cadets),

Extinguish the ember before it turns into a flame,

It's called transparency.

JohhnyD

Quote from: ZigZag911 on December 18, 2019, 07:03:45 pm
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

It's an issue. Clarify our policy, state it in writing,  emphasize with all new members (and parents/guardians for cadets),

Extinguish the ember before it turns into a flame,

It's called transparency.

Keereckt! Respect matters.

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