Formal Evening Dress (AF) - Historical

Started by Hawk200, November 30, 2019, 04:09:07 pm

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Hawk200

I know it's a uniform, but it's an old design, just sharing because I thought others might find it interesting.

https://usafflagranks.com/usaf_formal_evening_dress_uniform.html

Was reading the latest 2903, and was wondering if there was any pics of this rare beast.

Apparently, it's been reauthorized (?) for Air Force wear. (Or, maybe it never went away, it was just almost never seen.)

I like the design, although I have no practical use for it.

Anyone know if CAP has ever had anything similar? (Yes, I know Mess Dress is currently authorized for CAP.)

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Chad.Rogers

If I'm not mistaken I've some photos at home of an AF band director who'd been Infantry in WW2 or Korea wearing this but that's about all I can think of. I'll try to remember to look when I get home.

Hawk200

Quote from: Chad.Rogers on November 30, 2019, 05:25:41 pm
If I'm not mistaken I've some photos at home of an AF band director who'd been Infantry in WW2 or Korea wearing this but that's about all I can think of. I'll try to remember to look when I get home.
I'm more curious about the Formal Evening Dress (it's at the bottom of the page,) which is basically Mess Dress with a white bow tie, a white vest (instead of a cummerbund,) and a button on each side instead of the front "chained" buttons.

It's distinctively different, but it's only a few items that make it so. It wouldn't surprise me if the cost of the the unique items is pretty low.

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THRAWN

Cool. Just found a couple of sites that compare the formal uniforms of the different branches with links to their current regs.

https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/tuxedo-black-tie-guide/advanced/mess-dress-military-formal/

And this chart makes it pretty clear the the Air Force is without a white tie equivalent
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HandsomeWalt_USMC

If you read the most current AFI, the AF white tie equivalent is called Formal Dress and consists of the mess dress jacket and trousers but with the shirt, tie and cummerbund replaced with a white wing collar shirt, white bow tie and white waistcoat. One also omits the chain button closure, mimicking the open front of civilian formal tailcoats. I believe it is also an officers only combination, for reasons that escape me.
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PHall

I've seen it worn a couple of times by General Officers at extreme formal affairs that called for "white tie".

THRAWN

Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on December 01, 2019, 06:26:06 pm
If you read the most current AFI, the AF white tie equivalent is called Formal Dress and consists of the mess dress jacket and trousers but with the shirt, tie and cummerbund replaced with a white wing collar shirt, white bow tie and white waistcoat. One also omits the chain button closure, mimicking the open front of civilian formal tailcoats. I believe it is also an officers only combination, for reasons that escape me.


Yeah, great, but still no boat cloak...
Strup
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US NWC 2016

Dwight Dutton

I was one of the last people to have the "informal" black & white uniforms when I was commissioned in 1980.  By 1983 they were gone (and so was I) but they were beautiful.

I got to wear each of them one time.

Hawk200

Quote from: THRAWN on December 01, 2019, 03:59:13 pm
Cool. Just found a couple of sites that compare the formal uniforms of the different branches with links to their current regs.

https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/tuxedo-black-tie-guide/advanced/mess-dress-military-formal/

And this chart makes it pretty clear the the Air Force is without a white tie equivalent



That's a pretty neat site. Although, the ads are for items that are expensive. $300 (or thereabouts) for gloves is crazy.

Quote from: THRAWN on December 01, 2019, 08:11:52 pm
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Yeah, great, but still no boat cloak...


Well, not like we have a lot of boats.  ;D

Reading through 2903, I was a little surprised to not find any reference to an outer garment other than the topcoat. I could have sworn that in one time or another, the Air Force authorized a cloak. (Not a boatcloak, but a cloak.)

Quote from: Dwight Dutton on December 02, 2019, 11:33:43 pm
I was one of the last people to have the "informal" black & white uniforms when I was commissioned in 1980.  By 1983 they were gone (and so was I) but they were beautiful.

I got to wear each of them one time.


I remember finding a white coat/black pants style Mess Dress uniform in the supply room out in Colorado wing probably twenty years ago. It was nice looking, but I think I like the current "Formal Dress" configuration better. More "Air Forcey," I guess.  :)