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ABU Gortex Pants

Started by francisderosa16, November 27, 2019, 10:29:10 pm

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francisderosa16

November 27, 2019, 10:29:10 pm Last Edit: November 27, 2019, 11:21:07 pm by francisderosa16
Hello,
Anyone have an extra set of ABU Gortex pants? I'm financially struggling, and very low on money, just enough for groceries, (probably shouldn't be saying I'm financially struggling on social media, but I'm desparate). 

If you are willing to help me, THANK YOU! Just dm me on CapTalk.

V/r
DeRosa

francisderosa16

I want to add, HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

TheSkyHornet

Why do you want them? You can't wear them.

francisderosa16

Aren't we switching to ABU? I thought they could be worn with them? I could be mistaken. If so, thank you for pointing it out.

TheSkyHornet

Only the Gore-Tex parka may be worn; not the Gore-Tex pants.

For the shirt and pants, they need to be either 50-50 cotton/nylon blend or 100% cotton.


francisderosa16

Thank you for letting me know! I understand now! Happy Thanksgiving!!


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xyzzy

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on November 28, 2019, 01:14:25 pm
Why do you want them? You can't wear them.


M39-1 states
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9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....

Ground and Urban Direction Finding Team Tasks (G&UDFTG) states
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3. To avoid cold weather injuries.
a. Cover all extremities by using gloves, wool socks and a knit hat or hood over your ears.
b. Use the layer principle -- several loose layers of clothing keep a person warmer than one bulky item
of clothing. The multiple layers trap warm air pockets, which help maintain a uniform body temperature. As
you exert yourself and begin heating up, remove layers as needed. Put them back on as you cool down. Layers
can include underwear, socks, thermal underwear, sweater or sweatshirt, uniform, field jacket liner, field jacket,
knit hat, glove liners and gloves.
c. Choose clothing that will trap air pockets yet allow moisture to pass through. Wool, polypropylene
and Gore-Tex are good fabric choices that remain warm when wet. Rubber or vinyl coats are extremely bad, as
they hold the body's moisture in.
d. Avoid getting wet, especially your feet. Stay out of streams and muddy places.

Wing commanders and their designated activity directors have the authority to interpret the uniform manual. It would not be unreasonable to interpret the passage in the G&UDFTG to mean that the Gore-Tex pants can  be worn to keep the member dry and prevent cold injuries.

francisderosa16

Quote from: xyzzy on November 28, 2019, 02:53:01 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on November 28, 2019, 01:14:25 pm
Why do you want them? You can't wear them.


M39-1 states
Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....

Ground and Urban Direction Finding Team Tasks (G&UDFTG) states
Quote
3. To avoid cold weather injuries.
a. Cover all extremities by using gloves, wool socks and a knit hat or hood over your ears.
b. Use the layer principle -- several loose layers of clothing keep a person warmer than one bulky item
of clothing. The multiple layers trap warm air pockets, which help maintain a uniform body temperature. As
you exert yourself and begin heating up, remove layers as needed. Put them back on as you cool down. Layers
can include underwear, socks, thermal underwear, sweater or sweatshirt, uniform, field jacket liner, field jacket,
knit hat, glove liners and gloves.
c. Choose clothing that will trap air pockets yet allow moisture to pass through. Wool, polypropylene
and Gore-Tex are good fabric choices that remain warm when wet. Rubber or vinyl coats are extremely bad, as
they hold the body's moisture in.
d. Avoid getting wet, especially your feet. Stay out of streams and muddy places.

Wing commanders and their designated activity directors have the authority to interpret the uniform manual. It would not be unreasonable to interpret the passage in the G&UDFTG to mean that the Gore-Tex pants can  be worn to keep the member dry and prevent cold injuries.


So if I have this right, udf abd gtm can wear them. I'm certified in both. If anyone is willing to help out, and has extra, please dm me.

Fubar

Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....


So guess you can wear gortex pants with your regular uniform pants, not in lieu of. That doesn't sound comfortable...

shuman14

Quote from: Fubar on November 30, 2019, 12:37:01 am
Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....


So guess you can wear gortex pants with your regular uniform pants, not in lieu of. That doesn't sound comfortable...


If you ever have to work outside in a cold wet environment for a long period of time, you will want the Gortex over-pants.

For us more seasoned personnel, we can remember the old olive drab rain suits... same concept. Pull them on and go play in the rain or roll around in the snow.
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Quote from: shuman14 on November 30, 2019, 01:08:29 am
Quote from: Fubar on November 30, 2019, 12:37:01 am
Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....


So guess you can wear gortex pants with your regular uniform pants, not in lieu of. That doesn't sound comfortable...


If you ever have to work outside in a cold wet environment for a long period of time, you will want the Gortex over-pants.

For us more seasoned personnel, we can remember the old olive drab rain suits... same concept. Pull them on and go play in the rain or roll around in the snow.


They stop the wind so even when it's not wet outside they're just what you need to keep warm.

Mitchell 1969

Quote from: Fubar on November 30, 2019, 12:37:01 am
Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....


So guess you can wear gortex pants with your regular uniform pants, not in lieu of. That doesn't sound comfortable...


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Quote from: francisderosa16 on November 28, 2019, 02:56:30 pm
Quote from: xyzzy on November 28, 2019, 02:53:01 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on November 28, 2019, 01:14:25 pm
Why do you want them? You can't wear them.


M39-1 states
Quote
9.5. Wear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by
the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and
Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms....

Ground and Urban Direction Finding Team Tasks (G&UDFTG) states
Quote
3. To avoid cold weather injuries.
a. Cover all extremities by using gloves, wool socks and a knit hat or hood over your ears.
b. Use the layer principle -- several loose layers of clothing keep a person warmer than one bulky item
of clothing. The multiple layers trap warm air pockets, which help maintain a uniform body temperature. As
you exert yourself and begin heating up, remove layers as needed. Put them back on as you cool down. Layers
can include underwear, socks, thermal underwear, sweater or sweatshirt, uniform, field jacket liner, field jacket,
knit hat, glove liners and gloves.
c. Choose clothing that will trap air pockets yet allow moisture to pass through. Wool, polypropylene
and Gore-Tex are good fabric choices that remain warm when wet. Rubber or vinyl coats are extremely bad, as
they hold the body's moisture in.
d. Avoid getting wet, especially your feet. Stay out of streams and muddy places.

Wing commanders and their designated activity directors have the authority to interpret the uniform manual. It would not be unreasonable to interpret the passage in the G&UDFTG to mean that the Gore-Tex pants can  be worn to keep the member dry and prevent cold injuries.


So if I have this right, udf abd gtm can wear them. I'm certified in both. If anyone is willing to help out, and has extra, please dm me.


When do you want to wear them? Like in what situation?
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francisderosa16

In the town of my squadron, we get bad ice storms. So this year, I want to be prepared for going to meetings.


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Luis R. Ramos

When?

When we get the storms forecasted. In NYC we are told  it has started snowing, and will turn to sleet later.
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Eclipse

Quote from: francisderosa16 on December 01, 2019, 02:17:22 pm
In the town of my squadron, we get bad ice storms. So this year, I want to be prepared for going to meetings.


If the conditions are bad enough on a meeting night that you need to wear Gore-Tex overpants to
get from your car to the front door, stay home.




francisderosa16

Got it, thanx!


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