Marketing the Cell Phone Team

Started by etodd, November 14, 2019, 04:26:46 pm

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sardak

Quote from: Eclipse on November 15, 2019, 09:37:16 pm
Could be miscommunication, could be a change since I was Wing DOS, could just be ""Oh CAP", but when I was DOS in
the late 2000's, every mission alert came from a NOC alerting officer, and anytime we needed to have a customer
initiate a request it was "call the NOC".

Must be based on your wing/state/AFRCC agreement.  I've been an IC for a long time, in two wings, each in a different region, and in both the requests came/come directly from AFRCC to the wing alerting officers.

QuoteSo AFRCC is contacting alerting officers directly?
Yes, the alerting officers receive a page, and sometimes a phone call, directly from AFRCC.

QuoteWho creates the mission in WMIRS?
AFRCC opens the mission in WMIRS and enters the initial info in the "Mission Scenario" field, along with the RCC controller's name.

Looking back through the prior versions of 60-3 and its predecessor CAPR 55-1, they all state (some more clearly than others) that the alert goes from AFRCC (or the controlling agency) to the CAP alert officer (or IC).  The versions vary in their clarity and use/misuse of terminology.

Mike

Spaceman3750

Quote from: Eclipse on November 15, 2019, 09:37:16 pm
Could be miscommunication, could be a change since I was Wing DOS, could just be ""Oh CAP", but when I was DOS in
the late 2000's, every mission alert came from a NOC alerting officer, and anytime we needed to have a customer
initiate a request it was "call the NOC".

So AFRCC is contacting alerting officers directly?  Who creates the mission in WMIRS?


Can confirm that AFRCC contacts the duty IC that the wing designated in WMIRS 1.0 (yes) directly. The controllers have access to WMIRS and create the mission directly, and have been anecdotally known to monitor progress via logs. I've worked with them directly multiple times - nice bunch of people.

Additionally, AFRCC receives and approves requests for SAR support all the time directly from customers. No need to contact the NOC - the folks at the other end of the AFRCC 800 number perform intake, validation of federal interest, and mission approval/creation directly, in accordance with the run sheet they have for each state outlining their MOU with the state.

UWONGO2

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on November 15, 2019, 12:44:34 pm
Quote from: BJD on November 14, 2019, 06:54:26 pm
AFRCC will task the Cell Forensics team

... I'm sure "task" is just being used informally here, but for the benefit of others who may be reading this: the AFRCC doesn't have a formal tasking authority; they "ask not task".


Holy crud, I chose my words poorly there, my apologies. As Mr. Connley with the AFRCC likes to say, the AFRCC "asks, not tasks" when they call up agencies such as CAP to request assistance. You are of course correct, the AFRCC does not task CAP (such as the cell team) with missions, they only ask for assistance.

Thank you for pointing that out and preventing me from leading folks astray.

etodd

Ask  ... task ... doesn't matter to CAP. We will respond no matter how they want to spell it out. They could simply say HELP  and we will jump  🤣
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BJD

Quote from: UWONGO2 on November 19, 2019, 04:23:46 pm
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on November 15, 2019, 12:44:34 pm
Quote from: BJD on November 14, 2019, 06:54:26 pm
AFRCC will task the Cell Forensics team

... I'm sure "task" is just being used informally here, but for the benefit of others who may be reading this: the AFRCC doesn't have a formal tasking authority; they "ask not task".


Holy crud, I chose my words poorly there, my apologies. As Mr. Connley with the AFRCC likes to say, the AFRCC "asks, not tasks" when they call up agencies such as CAP to request assistance. You are of course correct, the AFRCC does not task CAP (such as the cell team) with missions, they only ask for assistance.



Thank you for pointing that out and preventing me from leading folks astray.


UWONGO2, I'm not sure why you are apologizing for something I said. 

However, as was pointed out, Dan Conley has told us on several occasions, AFRCC will "ask, not task".  Although I stated it incorrectly, the point I was trying to make was AFRCC will create a mission exclusively for the Cell Forensics team without any notification to the wing if no other CAP resources are requested.

Holding Pattern

Quote from: BJD on November 19, 2019, 08:32:15 pm
Quote from: UWONGO2 on November 19, 2019, 04:23:46 pm
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on November 15, 2019, 12:44:34 pm
Quote from: BJD on November 14, 2019, 06:54:26 pm
AFRCC will task the Cell Forensics team

... I'm sure "task" is just being used informally here, but for the benefit of others who may be reading this: the AFRCC doesn't have a formal tasking authority; they "ask not task".


Holy crud, I chose my words poorly there, my apologies. As Mr. Connley with the AFRCC likes to say, the AFRCC "asks, not tasks" when they call up agencies such as CAP to request assistance. You are of course correct, the AFRCC does not task CAP (such as the cell team) with missions, they only ask for assistance.



Thank you for pointing that out and preventing me from leading folks astray.


UWONGO2, I'm not sure why you are apologizing for something I said. 

However, as was pointed out, Dan Conley has told us on several occasions, AFRCC will "ask, not task".  Although I stated it incorrectly, the point I was trying to make was AFRCC will create a mission exclusively for the Cell Forensics team without any notification to the wing if no other CAP resources are requested.


That's actually good to know. It will be a selling point in states that don't have the best of relationships with wings.

UWONGO2

Quote from: BJD on November 19, 2019, 08:32:15 pm
UWONGO2, I'm not sure why you are apologizing for something I said.


Well crap, I'm 0-2. For some reason when I read the quote I thought I wrote it, obviously I didn't check the name in the quote.

Clearly I need to stay away from the post button.

UWONGO2

Quote from: BJD on November 19, 2019, 08:32:15 pmAlthough I stated it incorrectly, the point I was trying to make was AFRCC will create a mission exclusively for the Cell Forensics team without any notification to the wing if no other CAP resources are requested.


There was a push at one time to ensure the wing commander was notified of a cell or radar mission within their wing. The argument was they should know what CAP resources have been deployed within their wing. I do not know if this was implemented.

BJD

Quote from: UWONGO2 on November 20, 2019, 06:40:51 pm



There was a push at one time to ensure the wing commander was notified of a cell or radar mission within their wing. The argument was they should know what CAP resources have been deployed within their wing. I do not know if this was implemented.
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It was not implemented if you are asking about missions where the Cell Team is the only resource requested.  The Radar missions are different and will likely involve other resources from within the wing.  It all depends on what the requesting agency is asking for and what the MOU has for requirements.  The AFRCC has all that information in their Flex File for each state.  I would personally like to see the wing notified even if it is just a "Cell Team only" request.

sardak