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Self-funded proficiency flying

Started by farsightusf2017, November 12, 2019, 01:46:38 pm

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farsightusf2017

I have been out of the saddle of the 182 for a couple months and would like to conduct some proficiency but wasn't sure if I can? Can we utilize a C12 sortie and conduct our own proficiency aside from the AFAM profiles and the one Self-funded profile? 

arajca

This would be a question for your wing ops folks.

Eclipse

No. Any proficiency flying must be done utilizing one of the standard profiles.



BJD

Self-conducted proficiency flying is covered in CAPP 71-5.

etodd

Quote from: arajca on November 12, 2019, 01:59:54 pm
This would be a question for your wing ops folks.


I'm guessing it may vary a lot by Wing. 

Lets say I have a mission coming up in a week or two, and its possible we may be coming back at night, and I'm not night current.  I don't see an issue with me running out some night before then, and flying a self-funded C-12 sortie to get in a few night landings, to get current and well as proficient, before the mission. Not really a specific "Profile" for that, but is certainly a wise and safe thing to do.
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BJD

Lets say I have a mission coming up in a week or two, and its possible we may be coming back at night, and I'm not night current.  I don't see an issue with me running out some night before then, and flying a self-funded C-12 sortie to get in a few night landings, to get current and well as proficient, before the mission. Not really a specific "Profile" for that, but is certainly a wise and safe thing to do.
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That sounds a lot like a Profile #10 that can be flown on a B12 in that case.

etodd

Quote from: BJD on November 12, 2019, 09:24:09 pm
QuoteLets say I have a mission coming up in a week or two, and its possible we may be coming back at night, and I'm not night current.  I don't see an issue with me running out some night before then, and flying a self-funded C-12 sortie to get in a few night landings, to get current and well as proficient, before the mission. Not really a specific "Profile" for that, but is certainly a wise and safe thing to do.



That sounds a lot like a Profile #10 that can be flown on a B12 in that case.


Technically no, since its a 172 and not High Performance or Complex. LOL
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BJD

QuoteTechnically no, since its a 172 and not High Performance or Complex. LOL


That is true if a C172 is the only aircraft you have access to.  In that case you have already been given the best advice.  Contact your Operations folks for guidance.  However the regulation in CAPR 70-1, 6.2 and 6.3 are quite clear so the original question about the use of a C12 sortie for self-funded proficiency has been covered.

etodd

November 14, 2019, 12:46:08 am #8 Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 12:50:15 am by etodd
Quote from: farsightusf2017 on November 12, 2019, 01:46:38 pm
I have been out of the saddle of the 182 for a couple months and would like to conduct some proficiency but wasn't sure if I can? Can we utilize a C12 sortie and conduct our own proficiency aside from the AFAM profiles and the one Self-funded profile?


Need your Commercial or another rating?  Start training. As long as its self-funded, make it a C-25 flight and log it toward training. Start training, then fly some Chandelles or Lazy Eights every once in awhile to keep current, and work toward the next goal. :)

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Check Pilot/Tow Pilot

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on November 12, 2019, 01:46:38 pm
I have been out of the saddle of the 182 for a couple months and would like to conduct some proficiency but wasn't sure if I can? Can we utilize a C12 sortie and conduct our own proficiency aside from the AFAM profiles and the one Self-funded profile?


The misinformation that is on this site sometimes just makes me shake my head.

Yes just use a self-funded sortie like CA's CA_MISC and get yourself tuned up.

We appreciate you flying and becoming a more proficient pilot!!

And yes, ask your OPS folks 😀

Check Pilot/Tow Pilot

Quote from: Eclipse on November 12, 2019, 03:09:51 pm
No. Any proficiency flying must be done utilizing one of the standard profiles.


This is not true for self-funded flying.

Spaceman3750

Quote from: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on December 25, 2019, 07:55:01 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on November 12, 2019, 03:09:51 pm
No. Any proficiency flying must be done utilizing one of the standard profiles.


This is not true for self-funded flying.


So I had to dig into this and I learned something new. This is what the symbols doc says about C12:

"Proficiency flights not designated as an AFAM and conducted in accordance with guidance contained in the Self-Conducted Proficiency Profile."

But, I can't find that profile actually defined.

PHall

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 25, 2019, 08:47:52 pm
Quote from: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on December 25, 2019, 07:55:01 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on November 12, 2019, 03:09:51 pm
No. Any proficiency flying must be done utilizing one of the standard profiles.


This is not true for self-funded flying.


So I had to dig into this and I learned something new. This is what the symbols doc says about C12:

"Proficiency flights not designated as an AFAM and conducted in accordance with guidance contained in the Self-Conducted Proficiency Profile."

But, I can't find that profile actually defined.


That's because there is no profile. The pilot flying it decides what they need to do.

NovemberWhiskey

Quote from: PHall on December 25, 2019, 09:02:41 pm
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 25, 2019, 08:47:52 pm
"Proficiency flights not designated as an AFAM and conducted in accordance with guidance contained in the Self-Conducted Proficiency Profile."

But, I can't find that profile actually defined.


That's because there is no profile. The pilot flying it decides what they need to do.


Isn't this what CAPP 71-5 is for?

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf

etodd

December 25, 2019, 10:12:32 pm #14 Last Edit: December 25, 2019, 10:20:12 pm by etodd
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on December 25, 2019, 09:21:02 pm

Isn't this what CAPP 71-5 is for?

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf


Yes. 

Training Block 1: Basic Air Work
Training Block 2: Takeoffs and Landings
Training Block 3: Instrument Procedures

Looks like that covers most everything.  Pick one or more and .... Go fly!  :)

Some in CAP seem to make it so hard for new pilots to be "onboarded" and get flying time .... definitely goes to retention problems.

My Squadron has two Cadets working toward PPL.  Both over 40 hours now and getting close. We have two Seniors who completed IFR recently, one just completed Commercial and the other about to, and the same two are working toward CFII hopefully by this summer.

Our Squadron encourages members to not only stay current and proficient,  but to keep learning and move to the next steps. And it certainly helps keep the plane above that magic 200 hour mark every year the AF prefers.
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Spaceman3750

Quote from: PHall on December 25, 2019, 09:02:41 pm
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 25, 2019, 08:47:52 pm
Quote from: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on December 25, 2019, 07:55:01 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on November 12, 2019, 03:09:51 pm
No. Any proficiency flying must be done utilizing one of the standard profiles.


This is not true for self-funded flying.


So I had to dig into this and I learned something new. This is what the symbols doc says about C12:

"Proficiency flights not designated as an AFAM and conducted in accordance with guidance contained in the Self-Conducted Proficiency Profile."

But, I can't find that profile actually defined.


That's because there is no profile. The pilot flying it decides what they need to do.


I agree, except the doc is clear that there is guidance somewhere, that either I can't find or nobody bothered to publish. I'm also on my phone so I haven't looked THAT hard - there could be something in 70-1, I just looked in the proficiency profile pub.

etodd

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 25, 2019, 10:19:53 pm

... there is guidance somewhere, that either I can't find or nobody bothered to publish.



NovemberWhiskey linked it above ^^

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf

And see my post right above yours.  ^^
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Spaceman3750

Quote from: etodd on December 25, 2019, 10:35:35 pm
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 25, 2019, 10:19:53 pm

... there is guidance somewhere, that either I can't find or nobody bothered to publish.



NovemberWhiskey linked it above ^^

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf

And see my post right above yours.  ^^


Well there ya go. I missed it.

etodd

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on December 25, 2019, 09:21:02 pm

Isn't this what CAPP 71-5 is for?

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf


A couple noteworthy things here. With these profiles being self-funded, there is no hourly min or max mentioned. No mention that the take-offs and landings have to be at the base airport. No mention of how often you are allowed to fly this profile.  So as long as you have the $, fly some cross countries, get practice at other airports and types of airspace and keep that proficiency up. Its a good thing.

And as I mentioned above, start reaching for the next certificate or rating. With the FAA now allowing TAA to replace complex, the CAP G1000 planes can be used to train for Cadet PPL, then through IFR, Commercial, CFI, and CFII for everyone. Lets keep these planes in the air. :)
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etodd

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on December 25, 2019, 09:21:02 pmIsn't this what CAPP 71-5 is for?

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P_715_1_Oct_2018_fillable_E8BB3B0EB2651.pdf

Interesting to note that the above CAPP 71-5, was removed from the internet shortly after this thread. Hmmm.

I can find references to it, but cannot find the document anymore. ?
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