Started by Nick Critelli, July 15, 2007, 02:42:34 PM
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Quote from: CaptLord on July 15, 2007, 11:42:58 PMSARMedTech, Not to run too far afield, and in respect for the iniatiator of this threads' stated desire to limit the scope, I will amplify on my views about the squids, er, strike that, Coast Guard's, role and contrast that to ours. The CG is a full fledged member of the Homeland Security team, while its auxiliary is a junior member. They have quasi-law enforcement powers. The CG went from Department of Transporation, to the DOD, to Homeland Security. Our genesis is the reverse; We started moghty and progressed to flighty. I would attempt to reverse the process and bring us into the Homeland Security family. Capt. Lord
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 15, 2007, 03:16:17 PMAhem... General Patton is spinning in his grave - they're ivory-handled pistols; only a New Orleans pimp would be sporting pearl-handled pistols.
Quote from: Skyray on July 15, 2007, 04:43:27 PMsandman sayethQuoteThis message brought to you from the USS Peleliu anchored in the port of Da Nang!Can you see Monkey Mountain from your vantage point? If you can, take a stroll to the fantail and render a salute to Marine Captain Bill Tebow, who bought a little patch of it in 1965.Nostalgia aside, your ideas are good. There are other reasons for termination than security breaches, but your basic instincts are good. I think my suggestions would fix the underlying rot, your suggestions seem like a priority for after we get it fixed. I don't know that I would mess with cadet commissions to the point of eliminating them. I was a Second Lieutenant when they invented Spaatz, and it seems to me that it has had an overall positive impact.
QuoteThis message brought to you from the USS Peleliu anchored in the port of Da Nang!
Quote from: BillB on July 15, 2007, 04:58:59 PMSandman...The original 1942 cadet program had only enlisted grades up to C/Msgt One problem was that CAP cadets and seniors wore the same enlisted insignia. The stripes were supposed to be on a red background, only a small shade different than the Marine Corp NCO stripes. But most CAP members wore the Army style. Ever see a 17 year old Master Sgt? The Cadet officer grades were added (up to C/Capt) in the mid 1940's and C/Major added in very late 1940's. In fact there was a Cadet BGen authorized, for one week until USAF JROTC and ROTC complained saying they didn't have /Gen grades. There are to many achievements and milestones in the cadet program to drop back to NCO grades only. One of the 1960's National Cadet Advisory Council suggested CAP drop cadet officer grades, but since all JROTC activities included cadet officers, it was never brought up at the National Board. So basically CAP cadets have to maintain the same grade structure as AFJROTC and AFROTC.
Quote from: BillB on July 15, 2007, 04:58:59 PMOne problem was that CAP cadets and seniors wore the same enlisted insignia. The stripes were supposed to be on a red background, only a small shade different than the Marine Corp NCO stripes.
Quote from: sandman on July 16, 2007, 02:34:57 AMQuote from: CaptLord on July 15, 2007, 11:42:58 PMSARMedTech, Not to run too far afield, and in respect for the iniatiator of this threads' stated desire to limit the scope, I will amplify on my views about the squids, er, strike that, Coast Guard's, role and contrast that to ours. The CG is a full fledged member of the Homeland Security team, while its auxiliary is a junior member. They have quasi-law enforcement powers. The CG went from Department of Transporation, to the DOD, to Homeland Security. Our genesis is the reverse; We started moghty and progressed to flighty. I would attempt to reverse the process and bring us into the Homeland Security family. Capt. LordI concur. When an auxiliary facility is tasked to marshall a bunch of recreational boaters to stay clear of an area such as a floating parade or race etc and a boater becomes beligerant or non-compliant with the suggestions (not orders mind you) of the auxiliarist and the auxiliarist calls for CG assist...the CG is right there like stink on excrement reinforcing the suggestions until they become orders to comply.Uniquely, the USAF does not have such an enforcement cabability within CONUS (except maybe NG). How could we have big blue back us up or vice-versa? Would you want to deploy for a few weeks to some desert area to backfill some AF position in need (yea, some of you certainly would enthusiastically with weapon of choice in hand ).So, helping the AF in the way we currently do with SAR and cadetting could be beefed up for sure. Along that line we should certainly reach out a helping hand to DHS and other agencies, not reach out a hand for a "hand out" but allow ourselves to become proficient and professional volunteers. I have onboard today here in the 'Nam a variety of people, civilian volunteers from Project Hope and others.Would it be possible for a civilian volunteer to participate in a real military program? You betcha! The key is standardized proficiency and a real sense of professionalism, along with a healthy dose of reality...a person may be able to spend a week or two out of their summer vacation to participate...maybe the health care professionals in CAP can get together a flight to send on a mission such as the Peleliu Pacific Partnership /rLT
Quote from: sandman on July 17, 2007, 01:13:29 AMJohn,Wish I had time to look up some people for you! The VM gov't is tightly controlling our leave ashore. Of the 1100+ people on board, only a small percentage is allowed ashore for liberty and tours per day. We're allowing leave in shifts essentially. I have two days of liberty and two days of MEDCAP's out of the ten days were in port.I've been taking photos of the flag (from the fantail) flying over the city of Da Nang. I've been waiting for the fantail to swing about so that I can get a shot of the flag flying over monkey mountain!Best to ya./rLTP.S.So, watching planes fly out of Da Nang airport, I was thinking; as the newly appointed national commander, I would approach the VM gov't with the CAP model and try to sell them on the idea that it might be helpful for their kids!Hmmm, on second thought, the cadets and seniors probably would carry real firearms....
Quote from: Skyray on July 17, 2007, 02:17:15 PMNo one would be eligible to be wing commander until they had been promoted to Lieutenant Colonel by duty performace and finished Level Five.
Quote from: ZigZag911 on July 18, 2007, 04:17:20 AM1) set up web-based "task forces" to study and develop recommendations for some of our 'hot button' issues (professional development, rank/grade system for seniors, uniforms, ES training and so forth). Task forces chaired by and composed principally of squadron & group personnel. Part of their mandate would be to solicit input throughout the nation, at all CAP levels (including state directors, CAPRAP, and other USAF advice). Interim reports in 90 days, recommendations in 180 days2) develop and implement reasonable, consistent criteria and methods for selection of wing and region commanders3) institute a CAP ombudsman program, preferably in concert with CAP chaplain service and CAP NCO corps to encourage non-adversarial solution of problems and resolution of disputes4) institute a CAP IG service at National & Region level answering only to BOG5) conduct live or web-based "town meetings" in each region, in which membership can offer ideas & raise general concerns with national & region command personnel
Quote from: 12211985 on July 15, 2007, 08:47:08 PMQuote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 15, 2007, 08:40:46 PMHow do you 2b someone without their knowledge? Put them on "Double-Secret Probation" first?Right now, CAP does not require people who are 2b'd to know their membership has been terminated. Probation is optional, as is a membership termination board. There was a thread about this very thing. Topic: Mandatory 2b Hearings? A possible end to potential Abuse?Tags - MIKE
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 15, 2007, 08:40:46 PMHow do you 2b someone without their knowledge? Put them on "Double-Secret Probation" first?
QuoteTry that one again.....Hearings are mandatory....if the member requestions one.
Quote from: Nick Critelli, Lt Col CAP on July 15, 2007, 02:42:34 PMBefore you buy a pearl handled revolver, a pit bull terrier and commission a portrait artist (ala Patton) remember General that your power stems from the BoG, NB, NEC and the membership who you must keep happy...and they can turn on you without a moments notice.
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