Parent with F5 but not orientation pilot, can they fly their cadet child

Started by drhornii, June 11, 2019, 12:43:26 am

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drhornii

I have a squadron member who has about 85 hours PIC and a current form 5 that would like fly their son who is still a cadet (just turned 18). Is that permissible? If so, is there a regulation that clarifies that?

TheSkyHornet

What do you mean "would like to fly?"

What's the purpose of the flight?

etodd

Quote9.10.9.3.1. Only pilots qualified as CAP instructors, Orientation Pilots, Mission or Transport Mission Pilots (during supervised missions) may carry CAP cadets as passengers or crew members.
MS - MO - AP - MP - FRO - ESO

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Live2Learn

Quote from: drhornii on June 11, 2019, 12:43:26 am
I have a squadron member who has about 85 hours PIC and a current form 5 that would like fly their son who is still a cadet (just turned 18). Is that permissible? If so, is there a regulation that clarifies that?


Sure, but in a rental or an aircraft they own.  Not a CAP aircraft.  FWIW, 85 hours PIC ain't much experience.  There are very convincing (dead) reasons why CAP wants pilots who fly cadets in corporate aircraft to have a bit more experience.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: etodd on June 11, 2019, 12:58:04 am
Quote9.10.9.3.1. Only pilots qualified as CAP instructors, Orientation Pilots, Mission or Transport Mission Pilots (during supervised missions) may carry CAP cadets as passengers or crew members.



To add:

Quote9.4. Aircraft Use - Prohibited Activities. The following operations are prohibited in CAP aircraft:
9.4.10. Personal use, or any use other than official CAP business.

coudano

A pilot can carry whoever they want in an aircraft they own or have rented as long as they are flying IAW FAR.  What makes this proposed flight a CAP Activity?

Eclipse

Every CAP flight is a sortie, is attached to a mission number with an IC, and is required to have a specific training or mission
purpose, even rental "proficiency flying".

A flight like this would not be releasable.



drhornii

The flight would be either self funded flight or corporate mission, not AFAM.

Eclipse

Quote from: drhornii on June 11, 2019, 05:37:40 pm
The flight would be either self funded flight or corporate mission, not AFAM.


That doesn't change anything.



THRAWN

Quote from: coudano on June 11, 2019, 11:26:30 am
A pilot can carry whoever they want in an aircraft they own or have rented as long as they are flying IAW FAR.  What makes this proposed flight a CAP Activity?


Because it's a CAP plane and there are rules about how those planes are used. Taking junior on a sunset flight ain't on the list.
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TheSkyHornet

Quote from: THRAWN on June 11, 2019, 05:45:42 pm
Quote from: coudano on June 11, 2019, 11:26:30 am
A pilot can carry whoever they want in an aircraft they own or have rented as long as they are flying IAW FAR.  What makes this proposed flight a CAP Activity?


Because it's a CAP plane and there are rules about how those planes are used. Taking junior on a sunset flight ain't on the list.


I think that was his point--a PIC can go rent a plane, rather than use the CAP plane.

@ OP: Bottom line is that if it's in a CAP aircraft, it needs to be for CAP purposes. Local flying and joyriding isn't on the docket, despite the "flying club" member you see doing "training sorties" now and then. There's a chance that they're doing B.S. "proficiency flying" because they want to go fly, and it's not a proper example to set.

drhornii