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« on: May 17, 2019, 05:49:36 PM »

Its been ... awhile ... since I last went to an ES mission.

My spiffy new 101 card is handily marked "*MSA".  Headed to a mission base tonight for an overnight and all day mission tomorrow.

What things in the modern OPSQUAL/TRAINEX/SAREX/ICS age should I be sure not to forget?
(I already have "sleeping bag, et al" on my list there. You can be sure I'll be in the right uniform with the necessary accouterments)

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 06:15:44 PM »

Laptop, power strip, extension cord, and WiFi hotspot if you have one.

Also snacks and a hard-sided water bottle are nice to have.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 06:20:49 PM »

Laptop, power strip, extension cord, and WiFi hotspot if you have one.

Also snacks and a hard-sided water bottle are nice to have.

Check, [oops, I'll grab one], check, check. :)

Check and check on the last two as well.  And hard-sided coffee cup.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 06:24:00 PM »

I'd bring printouts of the checklist for the next level for any specialty track you are attempting.

A multi-tool like a Leatherman may already be on your list.

Your favorite state atlas; there tends to be a crowd around the official ones used in briefings etc., having your own makes it easier to follow along.

If you are at all proficient with maps, bring your favorite paper and electronic method for converting among the different coordinate choices (degrees-minutes-seconds, degrees-minutes where minutes have decimal point, UTM, etc.)

Binoculars, if going into field and you're confident you can handle the extra weight.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2019, 06:28:52 PM »


... his state atlas is what, like one page?

 ;D


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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2019, 06:32:05 PM »


... his state atlas is what, like one page?

The Gazetter is ... good sized. :)

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 06:40:05 PM »

I'd bring printouts of the checklist for the next level for any specialty track you are attempting.

A multi-tool like a Leatherman may already be on your list.

Your favorite state atlas; there tends to be a crowd around the official ones used in briefings etc., having your own makes it easier to follow along.

If you are at all proficient with maps, bring your favorite paper and electronic method for converting among the different coordinate choices (degrees-minutes-seconds, degrees-minutes where minutes have decimal point, UTM, etc.)

Binoculars, if going into field and you're confident you can handle the extra weight.

Thanks for the reminder about the checklists. Printing those now.  Got my leatherman, grabbing my other one for my belt. Atlas is secured.

I am map proficient, but I'm going to let someone else show me the "current" ropes on that.

I have rangfinder and gyro stabilzed binos. :) Just in case I some how accidentally get fully signed off as an MS trainee. (The colonel's knees are getting too old for the ground pounder routine... :) )

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 06:56:24 PM »


... his state atlas is what, like one page?

 ;D


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I'm thinking of something like a DeLORME atlas. The one for Vermont & New Hampshire has 57  pages of maps. Good amount of detail for planning a drive to a trail head or crash site, marginal for hiking.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 07:05:19 PM »

SQTR books and signoff sheets
50 extra ICS-214 forms
50 extra ICS-213 forms
10 extra ICS-205 forms
1 bag with 100 pens
1 battery powered mission clock with large LED face

A spare copy of your 101 card, F160,F161

TENS on a CD or USB drive
24 hour pack
72 hour pack

Portable label printer with weatherproof labels

Spare safety glasses and earplugs

Customize the below lists for your needs:
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS144/assets/TERT_Lesson_3_05_personal_preparation_worksheet.pdf
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS144/assets/TERT_Lesson_3_09_physical_preparation_worksheet.pdf

Ask these mobilization questions:
Mission POC
Mission Number
Type of Event
Reporting Location (Check-in)
Reporting Date/Time
Required Equipment
Length of Operations
Safety Issues

Relay to them:
Your Mode of Transportation
Your Route and ETA

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Spare USB cables to charge usb2,usb3, and lightning connector phones

Spare battery pack to charge them with in the 20,000mah range

1 box of 1 gallon ziplock bags
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 07:22:36 PM »

What, specifically, are you intending to actually do?

If you're going to be an MSA, respiration and gravitational attraction in proper proportion is all you need,
anything else will be in the hands of the assigned party of record, and you'll get the idea from what they do.

I have no idea why an MSA would need a sleeping bag.

Bear in mind, you can learn whatever is offered, even get tasked on various things you're pre-req qual'ed on,
but you can't be signed in as anything but what you are FAM/Prep/CC Approved for.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 07:25:13 PM »

TENS on a CD or USB drive

I know I'll be sorry, but this is what now?



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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 07:30:18 PM »

He needs the sleeping bag as he stated he will stay overnight in the mission base, that is, the night before the actual mission. He could have gone to a motel, then he would not need the sleeping bag. But he is not.

But he stated he is going for MSA(T). Or maybe I read too much. If so he does not need any binos! Unless he gets bored as an MSA and decides to get on an MS sortie...


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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 07:35:55 PM »

He needs the sleeping bag as he stated he will stay overnight in the mission base, that is, the night before the actual mission. He could have gone to a motel, then he would not need the sleeping bag. But he is not.

But he stated he is going for MSA(T). Or maybe I read too much. If so he does not need any binos! Unless he gets bored as an MSA and decides to get on an MS sortie...

Yeah, in theory, "roughing it" for us field grade guys is a Holiday Inn with no restaurant.

But in practice, I'm going to be billeting where the rest of the troops are billeted next to the mission base in my GP tiny.

Gotta show them how its done. Its just been awhile since I've done it!
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 07:39:37 PM »

SQTR books and signoff sheets
50 extra ICS-214 forms
50 extra ICS-213 forms
10 extra ICS-205 forms
1 bag with 100 pens
1 battery powered mission clock with large LED face

Our command post has most of that, but I'll be sure to bring my personal sign offs.

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A spare copy of your 101 card, F160,F161

I always forget the 160 & 161.  Good catch.

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TENS on a CD or USB drive
24 hour pack
72 hour pack

I have both 24 & 72 hr for mission base staff.

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Portable label printer with weatherproof labels

Command post has that

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Spare safety glasses and earplugs

I have spare eyeglasses (ballistically tolerant, even) and I'll remember to throw my earplugs into my helmet bag.

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Customize the below lists for your needs:
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS144/assets/TERT_Lesson_3_05_personal_preparation_worksheet.pdf
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS144/assets/TERT_Lesson_3_09_physical_preparation_worksheet.pdf

Ask these mobilization questions:
Mission POC
Mission Number
Type of Event
Reporting Location (Check-in)
Reporting Date/Time
Required Equipment
Length of Operations
Safety Issues

Relay to them:
Your Mode of Transportation
Your Route and ETA

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Spare USB cables to charge usb2,usb3, and lightning connector phones

Spare battery pack to charge them with in the 20,000mah range

1 box of 1 gallon ziplock bags

Some of this I already have, I'll play it by ear on the forms.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 08:04:14 PM »

TENS on a CD or USB drive

I know I'll be sorry, but this is what now?
When your OS crashes, and you want a government compliant OS that can handle CAC/PIV cards:

https://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm

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Trusted End Node Security
Trusted End Node Security (TENS™) creates a secure end node from trusted media on almost any Intel-based computer (PC or Mac). TENS™ boots a thin Linux operating system from removable media without mounting a local hard drive. Administrator privileges are not required; nothing is installed. TENS™ turns an untrusted system (such as a home computer) into a trusted network client. No trace of work activity or malware can be written to the local computer. Simply plug in your USB smart card reader to access CAC and PIV-restricted US government websites.

TENS™ differs from traditional operating systems in that it isn't continually patched. TENS™ is designed to run from read-only media and without any persistent storage. Any malware that might infect a computer can only run within that session. A user can improve security by rebooting between sessions, or when about to undertake a sensitive transaction. For example, boot TENS™ immediately before performing any online banking transactions. TENS™ should also be rebooted immediately after visiting any risky websites, or when the user has reason to suspect malware might have been loaded. In any event, rebooting when idle is an effective strategy to ensure a clean computing session.

TENS™ is updated on a regular basis. Be sure to update to the latest version to have the latest protection and most recent drivers.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2019, 08:25:16 PM »

^ Not  CAP "thing" and wholly unnecessary for CAP ES operations.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 08:27:20 PM »

As to the other stuff, there no such thing as 24/72 hour gear for base staff,
ES does not need to be painful, uncomfortable, or "roughing it" (see FEMA / ARC / Salvation Army, any professional EMA operations for guidance).
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 08:45:27 PM »

^ Not  CAP "thing" and wholly unnecessary for CAP ES operations.

Not a thing for you, but having a near instant recovery after a hard drive crash that happens to have bells and whistles for any USAF personnel visiting sure should be a CAP "thing."
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2019, 09:34:47 PM »


... his state atlas is what, like one page?

 ;D


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I'm thinking of something like a DeLORME atlas. The one for Vermont & New Hampshire has 57  pages of maps. Good amount of detail for planning a drive to a trail head or crash site, marginal for hiking.

Delorme used to have the atlases (Gazeteer) on disk.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2019, 11:28:01 PM »

NIN:

kidding about the size of your state aside, this is a good question (albeit liable to degenerate into "gear nerd fights"). I would suggest three things more bearing in mind your personal training state/goals:

1. Remember to take any personal meds, including your choice for headaches.


2. Pattern rightly mentioned checklists/books... to amplify, take both your mission staff TASK GUIDE, as well as your mission staff REFERENCE TEXT:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Mission_Base_Staff_Task_Guide_D05D81F929EB2.pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52f294c6e4b0bede38b4d35c/t/5a88cc53c83025f59a757e23/1518914784873/Mission+Base+Staff+Reference+Text+-+May+2003.pdf


3. I'm betting that you haven't done ICUT; if you'll be breaking into supporting Comm (and its required for MSA), take a laptop to spend some time working through the course during slack time. ICUT is now hosted on the new Axis LMS at: 
https://elearning.capnhq.gov/lms/_portal/user/index.php


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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2019, 11:32:44 PM »

^ Not  CAP "thing" and wholly unnecessary for CAP ES operations.

Not a thing for you, but having a near instant recovery after a hard drive crash that happens to have bells and whistles for any USAF personnel visiting sure should be a CAP "thing."

CAP isn't remotely tasked with fixing CAP-USAF computers, and it's silly to assert it should be.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2019, 11:36:32 PM »

ICUT is a good idea, and someone at the SAREx should be able to knock out the practical for you, but with your time in,
if you can't do the online in like 10 minutes, then it's time to hang it up.

See if you can get the FAM/Prep for UDF done as well, then you could go out on en ELT.

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2019, 12:25:55 AM »

^ Not  CAP "thing" and wholly unnecessary for CAP ES operations.

Not a thing for you, but having a near instant recovery after a hard drive crash that happens to have bells and whistles for any USAF personnel visiting sure should be a CAP "thing."

CAP isn't remotely tasked with fixing CAP-USAF computers, and it's silly to assert it should be.

Nowhere did I assert anything about fixing CAP-USAF computers.
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2019, 12:38:27 AM »

^ The only "USAF personnel" at a SARex are going to be CAP-USAF people.

And as you type "but...",  it's not a CAP ES role to be fixing anyone's PCs during a mission,
regardless of why some rando USAF person is there or if they dropped their PC in the parking lot.

Honestly, this Apocalypse mentality holds CAP back in so many ways.

The vast majority of missions are accomplished with a few forms, a couple of laptops, some cell phones,
and a few radios.

Members do not need Time Travel GPS Units,  Arc Reactors, or a carload of Pelicans filled with "you never know".

An ipad and a hotspot are actually all anyone needs.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2019, 01:18:17 AM »



Members do not need Time Travel GPS Units,  Arc Reactors, or a carload of Pelicans filled with "you never know".

<looks in the back of White Lightning>

Uhhhh. Hmmm.
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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2019, 01:20:09 AM »

ICUT is a good idea, and someone at the SAREx should be able to knock out the practical for you, but with your time in,
if you can't do the online in like 10 minutes, then it's time to hang it up.

See if you can get the FAM/Prep for UDF done as well, then you could go out on en ELT.
I have the online part knocked out twice, I keep missing the practical. It will be done tomorrow.

I mean, geez, I've talked on CAP radios for over 30 years....
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2019, 01:53:45 AM »

^ The only "USAF personnel" at a SARex are going to be CAP-USAF people.

And as you type "but...",  it's not a CAP ES role to be fixing anyone's PCs during a mission,
regardless of why some rando USAF person is there or if they dropped their PC in the parking lot.

Honestly, this Apocalypse mentality holds CAP back in so many ways.

The vast majority of missions are accomplished with a few forms, a couple of laptops, some cell phones,
and a few radios.

Members do not need Time Travel GPS Units,  Arc Reactors, or a carload of Pelicans filled with "you never know".

An ipad and a hotspot are actually all anyone needs.

You've never had a laptop fail in the field I see. FWIW, I was referring to using TENS on CAP laptops, which are quite up to the task, allow you to get to e-services, and have the fringe benefit of then being good for CAC/PIV use for those members capable of using them.

You seem to have gotten it into your head that I'm repairing non-CAP property somehow, but even then, that belies an ignorance of what a live CD/USB OS is for. The entire point is to bring a machine online in a secure environment, and to supplant the need for a hard drive should the hard drive for whatever reason fail.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2019, 02:43:31 AM »

TENS for CAP members is silly affectation.

When a notebook dies, rarely, you just use something else.

A CAP notebook that dies isn't likely going to run TENS, either, and during a mission
ICS staff have better things to do then reload notebooks.

But whatever, Apocalypse gonna Apocalypse.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2019, 11:09:58 AM »

NIN:

kidding about the size of your state aside, this is a good question (albeit liable to degenerate into "gear nerd fights"). I would suggest three things more bearing in mind your personal training state/goals:

1. Remember to take any personal meds, including your choice for headaches.

Meh. I have my hydrochlorothiazide if I really get wound up.

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2. Pattern rightly mentioned checklists/books... to amplify, take both your mission staff TASK GUIDE, as well as your mission staff REFERENCE TEXT:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Mission_Base_Staff_Task_Guide_D05D81F929EB2.pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52f294c6e4b0bede38b4d35c/t/5a88cc53c83025f59a757e23/1518914784873/Mission+Base+Staff+Reference+Text+-+May+2003.pdf

I have my checklists, but not the guides.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I'll survive, this time.

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3. I'm betting that you haven't done ICUT; if you'll be breaking into supporting Comm (and its required for MSA), take a laptop to spend some time working through the course during slack time. ICUT is now hosted on the new Axis LMS at: 
https://elearning.capnhq.gov/lms/_portal/user/index.php

I've knocked out the online portions twice (once about 4 years ago, and again about 3 months ago) so our new Wing DC will be working the practical part with me today.
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2019, 08:31:26 PM »

Thanks buckets, gang, for the hook up on things. Apart from forgetting my combat boots (I have my flight boots, at least), this  weekend has gone pretty well.

I managed to pull off several MSA tasks, get my ICUT practical knocked out, took a whole bunch of photos for PA and spent the afternoon in the comm shack passing traffic.

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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2019, 01:30:29 AM »

Thanks buckets, gang, for the hook up on things. Apart from forgetting my combat boots (I have my flight boots, at least), this  weekend has gone pretty well.

I managed to pull off several MSA tasks, get my ICUT practical knocked out, took a whole bunch of photos for PA and spent the afternoon in the comm shack passing traffic.

Whoever is running PA and snapping those close-up photos, is killing it!
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2019, 01:31:50 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2019, 02:05:09 AM »

Apart from forgetting my combat boots (I have my flight boots, at least), this  weekend has gone pretty well.

You know, one of the weird things is, I almost mentioned my personal experience of neglecting to throw my boots into the car during an actual missing person mission in Cumberland Gap circa 1997 (in which the Wing DO was appointing me the IC). I had to turn around and waste another 40 minutes driving back home to get the boots on the way to the national park, arriving at 0200L.  I debated mentioning "be sure to have your turnout gear ready", and didn't.  Well, we won't forget now will we?

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2019, 04:01:42 AM »

You're an MSA...  your 24 hour kit consists of a small rubbermaid tub of coffee supplies (mr coffee, filters, coffee grounds, creamer, sugar, trash bags paper towels, cups) .  Your gear check will occur immediately after sign-in, before the mass safety brief and invocation!!!    You can wait to be sent on an errand to get a box of bagels / donuts (make sure you hack 'inspect a vehicle' and 'navigate in a vehicle by map' when you do this mission critical sortie, or you can spark initiative and just show up with them  :P
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2019, 05:21:52 AM »

You're an MSA...  your 24 hour kit consists of a small rubbermaid tub of coffee supplies (mr coffee, filters, coffee grounds, creamer, sugar, trash bags paper towels, cups) .  Your gear check will occur immediately after sign-in, before the mass safety brief and invocation!!!    You can wait to be sent on an errand to get a box of bagels / donuts (make sure you hack 'inspect a vehicle' and 'navigate in a vehicle by map' when you do this mission critical sortie, or you can spark initiative and just show up with them  :P

LOL

Creamer. Don't forget the creamer, "Noob"!

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2019, 11:35:00 AM »

You're an MSA...  your 24 hour kit consists of a small rubbermaid tub of coffee supplies (mr coffee, filters, coffee grounds, creamer, sugar, trash bags paper towels, cups) .  Your gear check will occur immediately after sign-in, before the mass safety brief and invocation!!!    You can wait to be sent on an errand to get a box of bagels / donuts (make sure you hack 'inspect a vehicle' and 'navigate in a vehicle by map' when you do this mission critical sortie, or you can spark initiative and just show up with them 

You laugh but...

Our mission base was the small "terminal" building (calling it a "terminal" would be like calling my living room a "home theater") at the airport. Its about 600 sq ft of one room, a bathroom and the airport manager's office.  Along one side of that main room there is a kitchenette (counter with a fridge, sink, microwave and a coffee maker).

After I got ready for the day, I rolled into the building about 0630, way, way before anybody else.  Setup the extension cords and power strips on the tables. Got my PC setup, fired up my hot spot (we have our own router at this airport, but I neglected to get the password the night before), got into WMIRS and prepared to sign people in. True story: I've never really used WMIRS. Especially for that. Figured it out. 

I look over at the counter "Oooh, coffee maker. I better make coffee." I get a pot going, then texted one of my sq pilots driving over from the motel. "Bring me creamer!" There was plenty of sugar. No creamer.  Who does that? Not even the powdered junk.

20 minutes later my pilot shows up with a thing of french vanilla creamer (I did ask for creamer, not "half & half" ... won't make that mistake again). And donuts.

The IC, one of our former wing commanders, rolls in right after him.

He looks at me "I didn't know you were going to be here today! What are you going to be doing?"

"MSA trainee, sir."

"You? MSA?"

He looks over at the coffee maker with its full pot, looks back at me. "Did you make that?"

"Yessir."

"Only the best MSA ever. I think you're fully qualified."

So yeah, it pretty much worked exactly like that, minus the rubbermaid.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2019, 11:58:51 AM »

Some of the photos Nor'easter is talking about: https://imgur.com/a/Y84Td1O
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2019, 03:17:09 PM »

Its been ... awhile ... since I last went to an ES mission.

My spiffy new 101 card is handily marked "*MSA".  Headed to a mission base tonight for an overnight and all day mission tomorrow.

What things in the modern OPSQUAL/TRAINEX/SAREX/ICS age should I be sure not to forget?
(I already have "sleeping bag, et al" on my list there. You can be sure I'll be in the right uniform with the necessary accouterments)

Even though you have been in CAP for a while and have been on few ES missions, be able to take criticisms. You probably know a lot about ES, but other people might have been in different situations and be able to teach you how to handle them.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2019, 03:46:37 PM »

Even though you have been in CAP for a while and have been on few ES missions, be able to take criticisms. You probably know a lot about ES, but other people might have been in different situations and be able to teach you how to handle them.

This is great advice, not only for me (former GTM and MO) but for CAP folks in general.


I got shown a few things, was told several times "Oh, you already figured that out. Awesome" and even had the person coordinating the event tell me "I had a list of worries going into this weekend. Then I saw your name on the list and I had less worries." 

Sat in the comm trailer as an operator for a few hours at the end of the day. Managed to make one of our C/Lt Col's day when I arrived.

"I have a job for you."

"Yessir?"

"I have an old broken down senior, I need you to show him how mission comms works."

"OK, sir, who?"

"Me"

I got quite a bit out of that situation, from the "book" way of logging comms to the practical way of setting up the two VHF rigs to monitor several frequencies and allowing transmitting on the primary ops freq.  I logged & observed while he operated and showed me the ropes, then we switched seats (he needed a bio break) and I operated while he logged and coached.

The Wing DC came in at the end and he and I were chatting about the eventual disposition of the comms section in the command post trailer. Turns out, everything I had observed he already has a plan to fix.  Except the network, and he and I cooked up a plan to fix that.


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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2019, 03:55:38 PM »

Oh, and as MSA-T, I wound up playing "Super IT troubleshooter guy" when the IC got locked out of one of the main laptops, and then I had to troubleshoot the wifi in the building, network printing, the wifi in the command post trailer, the printers in the command post trailer... :)

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2019, 04:02:41 PM »

Oh, and as MSA-T, I wound up playing "Super IT troubleshooter guy" when the IC got locked out of one of the main laptops, and then I had to troubleshoot the wifi in the building, network printing, the wifi in the command post trailer, the printers in the command post trailer... :)

Sounds like a good story for another time
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2019, 11:38:18 PM »

You laugh but...

Was not so much joking...

meh
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2019, 04:12:07 AM »

Oh, and as MSA-T, I wound up playing "Super IT troubleshooter guy"

“Super IT troubleshooter XP alidocious?”



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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2019, 12:12:04 AM »

Good evening, all.
Another ES Noob here.

Thanks for this info. It will be useful for a lot more people than just the OP, including myself.
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