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Capmonkey
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« on: May 01, 2019, 03:06:58 PM »

Hey, y'all.
     I had a quick question about the M-65 Field Jacket, worn with the BDU's. I own a M-65 Field Jacket, but have never gotten around to putting all the insignia on. CAPM 39-1 states that Cadet Officers where their grade insignia on the epaulet, but don't state any specific measurement. Would anyone here happen to know if there is an exact measurement? I've looked in CAPM 39-1, and couldn't find anything! Thank you in advance!

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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2019, 03:21:38 PM »

It's the same size insignia as worn on the BDU blouse.

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2019, 08:34:20 PM »

It's the same size insignia as worn on the BDU blouse.

I understand that, I meant measurement from the seam on the actual epaulet.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2019, 08:49:38 PM »

Same 5/8" from the edge as senior members.

See the diagrams on Page 126 & 131.





Yes, the cadet diagrams have been incomplete for nearly 5 years.

As an FYI - members are no longer allowed to wear the BDU M-65 or Gore-Tex with the ABUs,
but can wear either with the woodland through the 2021 BDU sundown.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2019, 09:05:01 PM »

I had to go back in time and look at the past regulations as the current CAPM-39-1 left it out. I found it in the 1991 CAPM 39-1,  and in the 2005 version. It had not changed.  Grade is to be worn 5/8" from the shoulder seam on the epaulet. Measurement is from the actual grade and not the boarder.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2019, 10:00:36 PM »

I had to go back in time and look at the past regulations as the current CAPM-39-1 left it out. I found it in the 1991 CAPM 39-1,  and in the 2005 version. It had not changed.  Grade is to be worn 5/8" from the shoulder seam on the epaulet. Measurement is from the actual grade and not the boarder.

Thank you! And I'm fully aware that the M-65 can't be worn with ABU's. Seeing how I'm still in BDU's, that is seemingly not an issue! I appreciate the feedback!
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2019, 11:58:24 PM »

Thank you! And I'm fully aware that the M-65 can't be worn with ABU's. Seeing how I'm still in BDU's, that is seemingly not an issue! I appreciate the feedback!

But the Blue M-65 CAN be worn over the polo shirt uniform.  I have never seen anyone do that, but its in the reg.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2019, 01:24:56 AM »

Thank you! And I'm fully aware that the M-65 can't be worn with ABU's. Seeing how I'm still in BDU's, that is seemingly not an issue! I appreciate the feedback!

But the Blue M-65 CAN be worn over the polo shirt uniform.  I have never seen anyone do that, but its in the reg.

Interesting!!
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 01:47:27 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 03:18:30 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 04:15:58 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 06:20:30 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

And do you know why cadets can not wear the golf shirt? ???
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 06:50:54 PM »

Wait, seriously?
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2019, 07:24:40 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

And do you know why cadets can not wear the golf shirt? ???

I'm guessing here but maybe it's because "since it does not allow for wear of rank insignia"?
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2019, 08:02:05 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

And do you know why cadets can not wear the golf shirt? ???

I'm guessing here but maybe it's because "since it does not allow for wear of rank insignia"?

Yep, that's the reason. Stupid, but it is what it is.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2019, 08:26:44 PM »

Yep, that's the reason. Stupid, but it is what it is.

You know the reason it's >not< stupid, right?
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2019, 08:47:17 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

That's an extreme rarity and nothing to do with the direction of this thread segueing into a topic about non-Air Force-style uniforms.

I have yet to see an obese cadet wearing corporates.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2019, 09:04:38 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

That's an extreme rarity and nothing to do with the direction of this thread segueing into a topic about non-Air Force-style uniforms.

I have yet to see an obese cadet wearing corporates.

Nonetheless your declaration that "Cadets don't wear any of those" was factually incorrect.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2019, 10:33:46 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
Quote
1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

That's an extreme rarity and nothing to do with the direction of this thread segueing into a topic about non-Air Force-style uniforms.

I have yet to see an obese cadet wearing corporates.

Nonetheless your declaration that "Cadets don't wear any of those" was factually incorrect.

Wonderful. It's since been corrected/clarified.

How about sticking to the OP's question about insignia placement on the field jacket...? Why we're even talking about polos and BBDUs is a mystery to me.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2019, 11:34:53 PM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
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1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

That's an extreme rarity and nothing to do with the direction of this thread segueing into a topic about non-Air Force-style uniforms.

I have yet to see an obese cadet wearing corporates.

Nonetheless your declaration that "Cadets don't wear any of those" was factually incorrect.


Wonderful. It's since been corrected/clarified.

How about sticking to the OP's question about insignia placement on the field jacket...? Why we're even talking about polos and BBDUs is a mystery to me.


Because we all live for the topic drift. >:D
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2019, 12:12:20 AM »

Remember --golf shirt is a work uniform, so work outerwear with work uniform.

Black fleece is also versatile--Blue BDU, Blue flight suit, golf shirt, white/gray corporate

Cadets don't wear any of those.

Incorrect. The only thing in that list cadets can't wear is the golf shirt. Adult cadets who don't meet H/W are limited to the others.

CAPM 39-1
Quote
1.2.3.2. Cadets will wear the USAF-style uniforms as outlined in this manual as a key
component of their cadet experience. However, cadets over age 18 who are not eligible to wear the
USAF-style uniforms due to not meeting weight standards are authorized to wear all Corporate-style
uniform combinations, except the Corporate Working Uniform since it does not allow for wear of rank
insignia.

That's an extreme rarity and nothing to do with the direction of this thread segueing into a topic about non-Air Force-style uniforms.

I have yet to see an obese cadet wearing corporates.

Nonetheless your declaration that "Cadets don't wear any of those" was factually incorrect.

Wonderful. It's since been corrected/clarified.

How about sticking to the OP's question about insignia placement on the field jacket...? Why we're even talking about polos and BBDUs is a mystery to me.

Well since you asked, the reason I posted about "polos and BBDUs" is because you posted misinformation that needed to be corrected.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2019, 02:45:33 AM »

Question - asked and answered.
Snark fest  >:( - done.

Thread - locked. Click.
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