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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2019, 05:41:25 AM »


Has anyone found any discussion about SiteViz?

SiteViz is not new to CAP as they have been doing the national site for awhile (not sure how long).

I'm not sure at all as to how, at that time, Hdqs researched companies to do the work and decided SiteViz was best for the job?

Maybe they floated a RFP out nationally and SiteViz was the lowest bidder?

Maybe a SiteViz snake oil salesman just happened to walk in the door at Montgomery at just the right time, and sold someone there, and it was accepted without getting proposals from others?

IDK.  Its all a done deal, just as this new one is. As with any organization like ours, or some business corporation, things get decided at corporate levels with virtually no input from the folks in the trenches that have to actually use the snake oil on a daily basis.

Its just the nature of the beast.  We say thanks. We adapt what they give us and make it work.   LOL
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2019, 05:50:18 AM »

Their 'portfolio' has a bunch of small, local clients.. not sure if they can handle an enterprise this big.
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2019, 06:42:35 AM »

It always amazes me how many people pass judgement before even TRYING whatever they're judging.

Their portfolio (including the parent company's portfolio) includes almost 50 clients of a wide variety.  And I'm sure they don't have EVERY client included in their portfolio.  Their Press Release section shows that they've been in business since 2000 and first gained CAP as a client in 2003.  Their "About Us" page says they've been in business since 1995. Seems like a decent history to me.
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2019, 06:59:25 AM »

No judgement being passed here, just my observations based on their published portfolio:

Munn Lumber Co.
Young Professionals of Ames
Iowa Organization of Nurse Leaders
Dutch Oven Bakery
Iowa Pupils Transportation Association
The Greater Des Moines Partnership's YPC
and a few dozen more.

All look like local businesses/organizations. While that is fine, can they support ~ 1000 individual Squadrons? I don't know but I do wonder.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2019, 07:31:39 AM »

No judgement being passed here, just my observations based on their published portfolio:

Munn Lumber Co.
Young Professionals of Ames
Iowa Organization of Nurse Leaders
Dutch Oven Bakery
Iowa Pupils Transportation Association
The Greater Des Moines Partnership's YPC
and a few dozen more.

All look like local businesses/organizations. While that is fine, can they support ~ 1000 individual Squadrons? I don't know but I do wonder.

Understandable.  But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2019, 11:44:53 AM »

Their 'portfolio' has a bunch of small, local clients.. not sure if they can handle an enterprise this big.

https://www.captainjack.com/about-us/
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2019, 03:28:14 PM »

But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.

Exactly. However, I'd much prefer it had been design with something like Wordpress, and that we would have Admin privileges to our own websites. Using their proprietary system locks us into them. If whatever reason we have to change to different vendor one day, its starting over from scratch at every squadron. Just like it is now. Hopefully the deadline will be a couple years from now. Many of us who dedicated lots of time recently building what we have, may not have time to jump on this soon.  Its very disheartening to realize so much work we've done is going to be trashed and started back from square one. :(

An example, we have our Squadron's Facebook feed embedded on our homepage, so any notices posted on FB immediately show up on the website. I wonder if this new system will have any features like that? I'm hoping so. I would hope that all these squadron developers who have put in the extra efforts will be able to transfer these types of things easily to the new format.

Watching and waiting ....
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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2019, 06:25:15 PM »

But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.

Exactly. However, I'd much prefer it had been design with something like Wordpress, and that we would have Admin privileges to our own websites. Using their proprietary system locks us into them. If whatever reason we have to change to different vendor one day, its starting over from scratch at every squadron. Just like it is now. Hopefully the deadline will be a couple years from now. Many of us who dedicated lots of time recently building what we have, may not have time to jump on this soon.  Its very disheartening to realize so much work we've done is going to be trashed and started back from square one. :(

An example, we have our Squadron's Facebook feed embedded on our homepage, so any notices posted on FB immediately show up on the website. I wonder if this new system will have any features like that? I'm hoping so. I would hope that all these squadron developers who have put in the extra efforts will be able to transfer these types of things easily to the new format.

Watching and waiting ....

For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2019, 07:37:08 PM »


For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2019, 07:44:18 PM »


For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....

Indeed. I intend to use the new site because I waited for 3 years on developing a replacement site because they kept telling me we'd have this solution "Soon."

I should have ignored them.
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« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2019, 10:24:26 PM »


For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....

Indeed. I intend to use the new site because I waited for 3 years on developing a replacement site because they kept telling me we'd have this solution "Soon."

I should have ignored them.

Of course now you guys have said you're going to use their website and your website they'll tell you it's their website or nothing. ::)

When are you guys going to learn to keep this stuff to yourselves?
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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2019, 10:54:55 PM »


When are you guys going to learn to keep this stuff to yourselves?

A rebel be quiet? It doesn't work that way.  >:D
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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2019, 06:57:54 PM »

Well, it's two days past when National said information would be available on the Information Technology page. Has anyone seen it? I can't find the IT page on Eservices or Gocivilairpatrol.com.
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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2019, 07:33:54 PM »

Well, it's two days past when National said information would be available on the Information Technology page. Has anyone seen it? I can't find the IT page on Eservices or Gocivilairpatrol.com.

I haven't been looking for it. I'll wait until I hear other squadrons saying how they are using it, then I'll go take a look.

I don't care to be one of the initial "beta testers".  Let others work out the kinks. LOL
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2019, 01:36:20 PM »

In eServices, Click on Information Technology, then on the right hand side is "CAP Web Sites"
The information is there.

Or use this link :)
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-national-hq/information-technology/cap-web-sites
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2019, 02:16:11 PM »

Well, I guess I'm not approved - I don't have Information Technology on my Eservices menus and under the National Staff Areas on the public page, it doesn't show up either.
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2019, 04:13:15 PM »

In eServices, Click on Information Technology, then on the right hand side is "CAP Web Sites"
The information is there.

Or use this link :)
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-national-hq/information-technology/cap-web-sites

Why does a content guideline document have "confidential" in the footer?  And why does NHQ
have a document with "confidential" in the footer posted publicly?
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/WCAG_Content_Creation_Guidelines_V3_31432604D4533.pdf
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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM »

Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D
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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2019, 05:29:03 PM »

Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...
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« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2019, 05:45:41 PM »


Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...

While I agree TOTALLY with the sentiment. I also fully understand these types of things can't be done by popular vote. Someone (or a couple) at the top have to be the decision makers.  And you would hope they would seek out wisdom from good sources, and not be gullible to the snake oil salesmen that walk in the door. Ahem.  LOL
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