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Question: Which is better in your own opinion?
BDU [Battle Dress Uniform]   -0 (0%)
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OCP [Operational Camouflage Pattern]   -0 (0%)
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Eclipse
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2019, 03:08:46 AM »

I love how someone hears some random term somewhere and thinks it applies despite having no bearing.

The Corporate Field Uniform is all but black, where / how would the term "smurf suit" be remotely applicable?

Because a senior member in my squadron wears it, and to my it always looked blue (maybe because itís old and faded). Also, I love how someone tries to correct someone else with the wrong information. The uniform IS blue, not black. Donít believe me? Look at vaguardmil.com. Or this photo I have attached. I heard the term ďsmurf suitĒ in reference to the corporate field uniform one time at my squadron. Obviously thatís not the correct term, so I retract my earlier statement. Next time you get your panties in a wad over a comment, get your facts straight.

By the way, absolutely no disrespect is intended. I just though it was funny how I made one comment at got slapped down for it.

I said "all but black", which depending on manufacturer and lighting it decidedly is. In fact, some of the ones
from VG, when brand new, are more indigo then blue.

The term "smurf suit", despite the fact that it was widely worn in its time, was at best 50 - 50 derogatory / endearing
and generally skewed towards the derogatory, not only of the garment, but also towards the wearer, which the use here sounded to
me like as well.

It's never applied to the CFU.

Back to the subject, while its disappointing the amount of time members expend being concerned about boot color and headgear,
it is humorous to imagine the hundreds of members, especially cadets, who have to make the weekly , soul-scorching decision:

"Do I wear the lame uniform with the cool hat, or the cool uniform with the lame hat..."

Surely Homer's choice was easier.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2019, 03:43:53 AM »

This is a Smurf. Note the very close resemblance to the color of the jumpsuit.



Hence the nickname.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2019, 07:02:46 AM »

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!!  :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2019, 02:51:49 PM »

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!!  :D :D :D :D

BDUs have a pen pocket, its inside the left breast pocket and that's why there is a slit in the top of the left breast pocket flap.  ;)
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2019, 02:56:31 PM »

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!!  :D :D :D :D

BDUs have a pen pocket, its inside the left breast pocket and that's why there is a slit in the top of the left breast pocket flap.  ;)

Iíve seen that, but I was told it was against regís to put it there. I just keep it in the second flap where the buttons are.


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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2019, 03:04:14 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2019, 03:16:43 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2019, 03:18:55 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

They're going to be. Supply + demand.

Except the BBDU should have no effect on the ABU, BDU, or OCP.
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 03:24:28 PM »

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

I'm still standing by this one; I get a lot of shack on that. They look atrocious. Totally out of place. And shining boots is no longer the training-ism it once was.

The whole "to make the uniform look distinctive" is bogus. The blue nametapes do that. The "Civil Air Patrol" on the uniform does that. The reason they didn't go with 'suedes' is because it would be a huge cost for people to replace their black boots.

I think the option should have been to wear BDUs with the black boots or ABUs with the synthetics. Black with the ABU...really any modern military-style working uniform...looks so tacky.
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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2019, 04:01:52 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2019, 04:11:04 PM »

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2019, 04:16:02 PM »

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

No and No
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2019, 04:18:28 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.



I'm not down with that Members Only collar though
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2019, 04:32:26 PM »

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

No and No

What pattern are the US army pants?
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2019, 04:33:58 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.



I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2019, 04:36:17 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.



I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?

Am now!
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2019, 04:41:21 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.



I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?

Am now!

Though I just searched the entire internet and can't find a single picture of it in that configuration..... so I'm guessing it's not meant to be worn that way?
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2019, 04:59:09 PM »

Though I just searched the entire internet and can't find a single picture of it in that configuration..... so I'm guessing it's not meant to be worn that way?

I wear it that way all the time - though you would not be putting grade on it, that would have to be a tab or similar.

I bought one of these a while back (with pants), and wear the coat as a light jacket.

The matching trousers are cool as they have the lower pockets like the ABU pants have.
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2019, 06:34:06 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone


Don't know where you're shopping but OCP coats are $38 at Military Clothing Sales.
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2019, 06:55:58 PM »

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform Iíve ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform Iíve worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone


Don't know where you're shopping but OCP coats are $38 at Military Clothing Sales.

My wholesale cost on them is $16.90, so I would sell them for around $20-$25 retail depending on the S&H costs. I am not a huge buyer so my costs aren't that great, but I am sure a larger retailer could easily sell them for $20 or lower.
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