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zippy
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« on: November 24, 2018, 06:47:36 PM »

There are veterans in CAP with authorization to buy from the Exchange website, but not in person. What they do is when buying a uniform item on an Air Force base is to bring a cell phone, if they see something they like, pull out the cell phone and order it. The Exchange then ships it. The reason for doing it is before buying certain items such as a refrigerator or a bike a person will want to actually see it. Usually there is no intention to buy anything except a uniform, but the CAP veteran might walk by and see a big TV he really likes, and makes an impulse buy on his cell phone.

The Exchange says veterans can order on the website from "anywhere" so "anywhere" would of course include inside the base exchange itself.

The workers at the Exchange think this is great because they are always happy to help veterans that served our country.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2018, 07:30:48 PM »

The eXchange is suffering from the Amazon retail effect, they need more buyers/shoppers!
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2018, 08:52:41 PM »

The eXchange is suffering from the Amazon retail effect, they need more buyers/shoppers!

Not just Amazon. Walmart and Costco have been eating their lunch for years!
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2018, 09:30:14 PM »

The eXchange is suffering from the Amazon retail effect, they need more buyers/shoppers!

Not just Amazon. Walmart and Costco have been eating their lunch for years!

Yup the last maj purchase i made at the bx was 2 years ago and there wasn't that much of a savings.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2018, 10:24:09 PM »

The eXchange is suffering from the Amazon retail effect, they need more buyers/shoppers!

Not just Amazon. Walmart and Costco have been eating their lunch for years!

Yup the last maj purchase i made at the bx was 2 years ago and there wasn't that much of a savings.

My last major purchase at the BX was because they had it in stock and Best Buy didn't.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 12:30:49 AM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 12:52:20 AM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.

What about all us olde retired folks with the blue ID cards?
That said,  we use the commissary almost exclusively for groceries, and the exchange for some of our big purchases (TVs come to mind), but we have bought a lot of our appliances off-base because of the greater selection available.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 02:57:21 AM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.

The reason I see for continuing to use the Exchange and Commissary is to help keep it in business on a large scale.  Well, that and the gas prices.  And the package store... even Costco can't beat the liquor prices.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2018, 05:14:16 PM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.

The reason I see for continuing to use the Exchange and Commissary is to help keep it in business on a large scale.  Well, that and the gas prices.  And the package store... even Costco can't beat the liquor prices.

Then they need to become more competitive.  Sorry but when the bulk of items I buy are cheaper off base no point to buying on base. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2018, 05:50:58 PM »

The only places where AAFES has an advantage is overseas, down range and in remote places like Alaska and Guam.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2018, 07:47:06 PM »

The only places where AAFES has an advantage is overseas, down range and in remote places like Alaska and Guam.

Yeah but there you have a captive audience
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2018, 08:17:34 PM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.

The reason I see for continuing to use the Exchange and Commissary is to help keep it in business on a large scale.  Well, that and the gas prices.  And the package store... even Costco can't beat the liquor prices.

COSTCO actually beats the BX gas prices by quite a bit.
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2018, 08:19:29 PM »

The only places where AAFES has an advantage is overseas, down range and in remote places like Alaska and Guam.

Yeah but there you have a captive audience

Exactly!
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2018, 08:21:27 PM »

If you have an AD/Dependent ID, the best part about the PX is the tax-free price matching.

If you don't have either of those, I fail to see any reason to go to the PX over a Walmart or even Amazon.

The reason I see for continuing to use the Exchange and Commissary is to help keep it in business on a large scale.  Well, that and the gas prices.  And the package store... even Costco can't beat the liquor prices.

COSTCO actually beats the BX gas prices by quite a bit.

Actually in California the Exchange does beat Costco gas prices. You pay state gas taxes at Costco.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2018, 09:20:51 PM »

So the advantages AFEES has are:

1 - location
2 - tax exempt for active duty personnel.

 So the disadvantages AFEES has are:

1 - price (excepting high tax items like booze and gas)
2 - selection
3 - convenience

See https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2018/06/22/heres-why-dod-wants-to-make-millions-more-eligible-to-shop-commissaries-exchanges/

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/02/08/falling-commissary-sales-are-raising-risks-shopping-benefit.html

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/03/15/new-dod-task-force-eyed-merging-exchange-services-deca.html

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 10:55:05 PM »

So the advantages AFEES has are:

1 - location
2 - tax exempt for active duty personnel.

 So the disadvantages AFEES has are:

1 - price (excepting high tax items like booze and gas)
2 - selection
3 - convenience

See https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2018/06/22/heres-why-dod-wants-to-make-millions-more-eligible-to-shop-commissaries-exchanges/

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/02/08/falling-commissary-sales-are-raising-risks-shopping-benefit.html

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/03/15/new-dod-task-force-eyed-merging-exchange-services-deca.html

No real advantage.  Everything they sell is just as priced as outside sometimes more so.  And really the tax free is chump change.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2018, 11:20:39 PM »

So the advantages AFEES has are:

1 - location
2 - tax exempt for active duty personnel.

 So the disadvantages AFEES has are:

1 - price (excepting high tax items like booze and gas)
2 - selection
3 - convenience

See https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2018/06/22/heres-why-dod-wants-to-make-millions-more-eligible-to-shop-commissaries-exchanges/

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/02/08/falling-commissary-sales-are-raising-risks-shopping-benefit.html

and https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/03/15/new-dod-task-force-eyed-merging-exchange-services-deca.html

Keep in mind that the exchange services (AAFES, NEX, and MCX) are totally separated from DeCA (Defense Commissary Agency). The former are non-appropriated fund activities, DeCA is an appropriated fund activity. They involve different pots of money, and operate under different rules.
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 12:19:32 AM »

Issue 1 - providing a real benefit to the armed services,
Issue 2 - if AFEES is that benefit, merge with DeCa?
Issue 3 - if AFEES is that benefit, how to increase shoppers and sales?
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 12:21:04 AM »

USCG is opening exchanges off-post in random places... One coming to the Centreville, VA area.

I only patronize the Class 6 for the cheap booze...
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 12:56:17 AM »

USCG is opening exchanges off-post in random places... One coming to the Centreville, VA area.

I only patronize the Class 6 for the cheap booze...

Not surprising considering that the Coast Guard is spread all over the place.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 01:36:18 AM »

Issue 1 - providing a real benefit to the armed services,

Perception as a benefit will vary from person to person. My experience is yes, in most cases. If noting else, the tax savings is a plus. Prices, brand for brand and item for item, are generally cheaper unless you drive all over town shopping the sales. Then you have to consider how much you spend on gas. Here in California Republic, it can be significant. In my specific situation, it costs an average of about 15 cents a mile. YMMV.

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Issue 2 - if AFEES is that benefit, merge with DeCa?

Not gonna happen. As noted above, one is NAF, the other is AF. Two systems, two sets of rules, with the commissary being more restrictive.

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Issue 3 - if AFEES is that benefit, how to increase shoppers and sales?

That's the hard question, for which I have no quick and easy answers. I have shopped in the exchange system all my life, and with the current civilian retail "deals", it is sometimes difficult to shop in the exchange when a civilian store is closer and cheaper.
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2018, 04:31:53 PM »

Issue 1 - providing a real benefit to the armed services,

Perception as a benefit will vary from person to person. My experience is yes, in most cases. If noting else, the tax savings is a plus. Prices, brand for brand and item for item, are generally cheaper unless you drive all over town shopping the sales. Then you have to consider how much you spend on gas. Here in California Republic, it can be significant. In my specific situation, it costs an average of about 15 cents a mile. YMMV.

From my indoctrination training as a PX employee over this past summer, the PX really provides two main benefits: "outstanding" customer service and MWR funding. In most PXs/BXs, you'll see a giant board with an amount of money that the facility has given to local MWR facilities, which helps keep them open and operational, as well as getting new supplies. That's really the biggest thing, I don't know how I'd prevent going crazy on the current base I'm at without it...

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Issue 3 - if AFEES is that benefit, how to increase shoppers and sales?

That's the hard question, for which I have no quick and easy answers. I have shopped in the exchange system all my life, and with the current civilian retail "deals", it is sometimes difficult to shop in the exchange when a civilian store is closer and cheaper.

Again, referring to my indoctrination training, the main way the PX is attempting to increase sales is through community outreach, outstanding customer service, and decreasing prices/providing more discounts. I don't know about other locations, but mine has a daily sale on a particular item or categories of items. There was one day where a $3000 TV was on sale for $999. Sales like that bring a huge amount of people through the door. (edit) However, as SarDragon said, it is hard to justify making your way out to a PX if you're a civvie or Vet rather than the convenience of going to a local store. I've always lived on post, so it's always been most convenient to go to the PX, but I understand other viewpoints. (/edit)
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2018, 04:32:14 PM »

The price on regualr items (not smokes, gas and booze) is really only on brand items.  Yes you will find a 60" Sony TV cheaper and tax free at the exhange than the local Walmart, but Walmart usually has 4 or 5 other brands of 60" TV that are cheaper.  So unless you really want the name brand version, you can find it cheaper off base.

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2018, 02:40:58 PM »

We  have found the commissary to be very beneficial.  We usually make one trip every 4-6 weeks and have found overall prices to be much better than the civilian sector.  True the selections may not be the greatest, but not every store carries every brand and that includes Walmart and Costco.  Since neither of us smoke or drink, and my wife is a "Coupon Nazi" and one to carefully price match everything (nothing like spending 10 minutes while she compares the cost per sheet of toilet tissue), and we avoid junk food we have found very real savings.
The Exchange will price match civilian stores even on firearms and ammunition.   Gas prices are on average 10 cents below off post prices and using the Exchange Credit Card lowers that by another 5 cents/gallon.
For us, the Exchange/Commissary is a very real benefit.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2018, 04:32:02 PM »


The Exchange will price match civilian stores even on firearms and ammunition.   Gas prices are on average 10 cents below off post prices and using the Exchange Credit Card lowers that by another 5 cents/gallon.
For us, the Exchange/Commissary is a very real benefit.

They will price match yes but not for online items and it has to be the exact item.

I can buy relatively everything at our gun counter here for cheaper off base even with the taxes.

I get a 5% discount for being mil at my local Sportsmans Warehouse.  10%  at my local gun shop and for ammo if I give my gf the money well that's 10% at wal mart with her employee discount.

But for some areas ymmv.
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2018, 05:45:03 PM »

The price on regualr items (not smokes, gas and booze) is really only on brand items.  Yes you will find a 60" Sony TV cheaper and tax free at the exhange than the local Walmart, but Walmart usually has 4 or 5 other brands of 60" TV that are cheaper.  So unless you really want the name brand version, you can find it cheaper off base.

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Yes, however the Exchange insurance in Wall appliances or electronic is by far one of the best I have to dealt with. I cannot said the same from Walmart, Sams club, Best Buy or Costco.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2018, 03:13:27 AM »

Curious...
Will they allow CAP members to shop w/ CAP ID?
I know USN and USCG exchanges will allow USN Sea Cadets to shop w/ their ID.
USCG exchanges are opening around the country, off-mil bases. One is going into a suburban strip mall in Centreville, VA presently...
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2018, 04:04:04 AM »

Curious...
Will they allow CAP members to shop w/ CAP ID?
I know USN and USCG exchanges will allow USN Sea Cadets to shop w/ their ID.
USCG exchanges are opening around the country, off-mil bases. One is going into a suburban strip mall in Centreville, VA presently...

You can shop for uniform items only with your CAP ID.
And you brought up the Coast Guard Exchanges earlier in this thread. Considering that the Coast Guard has small units spread out all over the place, it's not surprising that they have exchanges away from military bases.
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