New DJI Mavic 2 Designed for Search and Rescue

Started by xray328, October 29, 2018, 02:37:09 pm

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sardak

QuotePart 107 licenses aren't much harder to get then any other CAP ES rating, but they do require the UAVs, and taking the time to both practice and then seek out a tester.

You can take, and pass, the 107 test without ever having seen a UAV, let alone fly one. Seeking out a tester can be a problem because you take the test at an FAA approved test facility, which aren't at every supermarket or airport. There are only 12 in our state, located at nine airports.

Mike

Eclipse

Fair enough (though you should live in a place the FSM intended for people), but
it doesn't do much good to have a 107 and not be able to hover.



xray328

Honestly, you don't need to know how to hover. I'd be fine handing the controls to a 10 year old, these are to the point they fly, hover and land by themselves.   Even the WalMart ones you mentioned earlier have auto hover, GPS return to home and auto land ...$149.

http://us.yuneec.com/breeze-overview


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Ohioguard

National HQ just had a training program for C-sUAS at Camp Atterbury 5 - 22 October and have training scheduled at Edwards AFB 4 - 9 Nov.  This training is for a new AF mission using the C-sUAS.

It is coming to be. 

xray328

Quote from: Ohioguard on October 29, 2018, 10:28:09 pm
National HQ just had a training program for C-sUAS at Camp Atterbury 5 - 22 October and have training scheduled at Edwards AFB 4 - 9 Nov.  This training is for a new AF mission using the C-sUAS.

It is coming to be.

What were the qualifications to attend?  Invite only?


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etodd

October 30, 2018, 01:28:45 am #25 Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 01:38:31 am by etodd
As a current FAA pilot certificate holder ... I did not have to go to a CATS testing facility and pay the $150.  Its a very simple test online for existing pilots that should be passable by any pilot, with just a little study of the Part 107 regs beforehand.

CAP already has quite a few Part 107 members. CAP did a survey a few months ago , but I haven't seen the results released.

As a professional aerial photographer, I have a couple years experience flying my P4P, and could jump into any search now quite comfortably, especially since I'm already a Mission Pilot and know CAP search procedures and protocols.

I'd bet there are many others just as qualified and even more so, in CAP. 

But alas ... until Hdqs develops a SQTR sheet for it, which will be outdated the very day its released, to "qualify the qualified" .... if I want to work this way, I'll have to just wear street clothes and volunteer my services with other agencies.  Funny, but also sad.

We shoot ourselves in the foot with so many layers of bureaucracy .
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Eclipse

Two things - what on earth would CAP be doing with Counter UAV missions? 

Second, if it's like GF and the escorts missions, they looks great on the annual report and are pretty
much meaningless to the average member.



etodd

I just belly laughed out loud thinking about having to enter a new drone "sortie" into WMIRS every 25 minutes or so when I "stop the motors" in order to change batteries.

Surely ... ahem .... it will not happen that way. ;)

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etodd

Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 01:33:16 am

...they looks great on the annual report and are pretty
much meaningless to the average member.


Could say the same about the cell phone team, only 4 or 5 folks, yet are not most "saves" credited to them now?
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Eclipse

Quote from: etodd on October 30, 2018, 01:40:42 am
Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 01:33:16 am

...they looks great on the annual report and are pretty
much meaningless to the average member.


Could say the same about the cell phone team, only 4 or 5 folks, yet are not most "saves" credited to them now?


I would say the same thing - looks great on a T-Shirt, isn't coming to a theater near you.
The saves credited to them are the saves they are involved in, which is not all CAP missions, or even most.



etodd

Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 01:42:34 am
Quote from: etodd on October 30, 2018, 01:40:42 am
Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 01:33:16 am

...they looks great on the annual report and are pretty
much meaningless to the average member.


Could say the same about the cell phone team, only 4 or 5 folks, yet are not most "saves" credited to them now?


I would say the same thing - looks great on a T-Shirt, isn't coming to a theater near you.
The saves credited to them are the saves they are involved in, which is not all CAP missions, or even most.


Hmmm.  I was wondering if they were full CAP ... and just had a quasi relationship somehow? They get publicized by Hdqs as if they are all CAP, all the time.
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Eclipse

I think you're asking a different question.

The Cell phone team is CAP members, many of whom pioneered the techniques used.
They get credit for the missions that they participate in just like everyone else.

Not all CAP missions involve the team.



etodd

Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 01:52:09 am
I think you're asking a different question.

The Cell phone team is CAP members, many of whom pioneered the techniques used.
They get credit for the missions that they participate in just like everyone else.

Not all CAP missions involve the team.


Ah.  Gotcha.  Well then that goes back to my question. Out of all the CAP "Saves" in FY 2017, what percentage were credited to the cell phone team? I thought they had exceeded all others(?)
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etodd

October 30, 2018, 02:17:52 am #33 Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 02:27:06 am by etodd
Found it ... 95%  WOW!

CAP Sets Modern Saves Record -- 155 -- for Fiscal 2018; 95% Credited to Cell Phone Team

https://www.cap.news/cap-sets-modern-saves-record----155----for-fiscal-2018-95-credited-to-cell-phone-team/

Those airplanes are looking expensive now. Ouch!

"Technology has changed how we do business," said John Desmarais, CAP's director of operations. "We're saving more lives and doing more in a cost-effective manner."

Yea buddy. We better keep up the good work with AP for FEMA  and more, if we want to keep these airplanes.
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Eclipse

I can't find the story, but didn't the team get credit for something that had a whole bunch of
saves in one mission?



etodd

Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2018, 02:47:29 am
I can't find the story, but didn't the team get credit for something that had a whole bunch of
saves in one mission?


Maybe so ... but probably not enough to change that 95% figure by too much(?)

Its the wave. Eight people sitting in front of computers, maybe even while still wearing their morning slippers and drinking that first cup of coffee ... providing data in one hour many times, that results in finds shortly thereafter. The rest of us can't get our uniforms on and get anywhere near the airport in that amount of time.

Yes, lets cherish our FEMA Airborne Photography, and see how we can make it even better. Our planes depend on it.
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sardak

QuoteI can't find the story, but didn't the team get credit for something that had a whole bunch of saves in one mission?
Yes, they helped locate a passenger ship in January near the Bahamas and were credited with 69 saves.

Mike

etodd

Quote from: sardak on October 30, 2018, 04:01:10 am
QuoteI can't find the story, but didn't the team get credit for something that had a whole bunch of saves in one mission?
Yes, they helped locate a passenger ship in January near the Bahamas and were credited with 69 saves.

Mike


So lets do the math.  There were 155 saves and cell team credited with 147.

So lets take the whole passenger ship out of the equation. Total saves = 86

Cell team is credited with 78 of them for 91% of the total.

Yep .... SAR is now an incredibly small part of CAP plane loads of MPs, MOs, and MSs.

Hello FEMA, our old friend. How can we keep you satisfied?
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sardak

October 30, 2018, 05:01:21 am #38 Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 05:24:01 am by sardak
Here's another way to look at it. In calendar year 2017, our wing had 16 SAR missions. Cell phone forensics assisted on 3 of them, all missing aircraft.  During the same time, the sheriffs and National Park Service in our state used CAP cell phone forensics on 38 SAR missions without involving the wing. All those numbers are very small given that there were over 1,700 reported SAR incidents in the state overall.

And get off the FEMA flying.  As I replied to one of your FEMA posts in another thread, in 2017 FEMA flying hours = SAR flying hours, and each was only 2.6% of total AFAM flying hours.

Mike

etodd

Quote from: sardak on October 30, 2018, 05:01:21 am
Here's another way to look at it. In calendar year 2017, our wing had 16 SAR missions. Cell phone forensics assisted on 3 of them, all missing aircraft.  During the same time, the sheriffs and National Park Service in our state used CAP cell phone forensics on 38 SAR missions without involving the wing. All those numbers are very small given that there were over 1,700 reported SAR incidents in the state overall.

And get off the FEMA flying.  As I replied to one of your FEMA posts in another thread, in 2017 FEMA flying hours = SAR flying hours, and each was only 2.6% of total AFAM flying hours.

Mike


Yes, yes. Of Course.  But like it or not the cell team and the radar team, have fine tuned their methods and these numbers will continually favor those teams. At some point we really will have to start justifying the airplanes in many different ways. Yes, we are doing many things now, but airplane SAR will continue to decline, as we get to the point drones are more and more viable for those missions the cell team can't find a signal path.

I'm just trying to realistically look toward the future. I'm REALLY hoping we can find more and more uses for these planes, so we can still keep using them for Cadets. We have two Cadets working toward their PPL in the squadron's plane currently and more who are interested. Saturday we'll be flying O'Rides, one of my favorite things in CAP.

So whatever it takes to keep us in airplanes. Whether its FEMA, or helping the Army train Controllers, or escorting Reapers, or any other jobs we can find.  When it comes to the airplanes ... those truly are our future.  Cell/RADAR teams and drones will eventually do all SAR.
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