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kwaisun
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« on: September 12, 2018, 07:24:43 PM »

Does anyone know how to assign a cadet to CAC?


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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 07:28:50 PM »

Or how to join a CAC?
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 07:35:18 PM »

Does anyone know how to assign a cadet to CAC?


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CAC assignments are done under the duty assignments module of eServices.

Or how to join a CAC?

If your squadron does not have a CAC representative, talk to your DCC or squadron commander about the job.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 11:14:07 PM »

Hi Kwaisun.
Path to get to it in eservices:
- "Personnel"
- "Duty Assignment"
- "Assign Cadet Duties" module.

Then:
- Pick the unit (yours is default)
- Pick the Functional Area from the pulldown menu (CAC for this example)
- Select the position to assign the individual
- Press submit.

Additionally, I recommend reviewing the relevant CAPP, at:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P052_019_1584425C1735C.pdf



Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!


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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 01:30:11 AM »

Hi Kwaisun.
Path to get to it in eservices:
- "Personnel"
- "Duty Assignment"
- "Assign Cadet Duties" module.

Then:
- Pick the unit (yours is default)
- Pick the Functional Area from the pulldown menu (CAC for this example)
- Select the position to assign the individual
- Press submit.

Additionally, I recommend reviewing the relevant CAPP, at:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P052_019_1584425C1735C.pdf


Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!


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As a cadet, he doesnt have access to the duty assignments functions in e-services.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 02:21:23 AM »


Hi, Mac.

You may want to read those posts again.

I addressed my initial reply to the original poster. I don't think you can assume that he or she is a Cadet. I was merely answering the question.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 09:02:26 AM »

Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!

CAC is open to cadet NCOs as well as cadet officers.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 09:32:42 AM »

Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!

CAC is open to cadet NCOs as well as cadet officers.

We have danced this dance before in previous threads and I am aware of what eservices lets you do just as you should know that the clear intent of the program of record per the pubs is phase appropriate cadet officers.

Feel free to advise Rifleman as you'd like - as I have. His chain and his Wing will have the final say. In my Wing, he as a junior C/NCO would be thanked for his interest and his Commander counseled and he would not be seated on CAC.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2018, 09:35:22 AM »

Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!

CAC is open to cadet NCOs as well as cadet officers.

We have danced this dance before in previous threads and I am aware of what eservices lets you do just as you should know that the clear intent of the program of record per the pubs is phase appropriate cadet officers.

Feel free to advise Rifleman as you'd like - as I have. His chain and his Wing will have the final say. In my Wing, he as a junior C/NCO would be thanked for his interest and his Commander counseled and he would not be seated on CAC.

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You might want to read the actual regulations then.

Quote from: CAPR 60-1
7.2.1.3. Composite and cadet squadron commanders appoint two cadet NCOs or officers. If the unit does not have qualified cadets available, the position(s) may remain vacant.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2018, 09:39:02 AM »

Noted also Rifleman that your sig says you are your units PAO. As thats a senior member job i think you mean to say Cadet PA NCO, right?

(Point being, boundaries do matter if you are following the program, as with CAC).

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2018, 09:40:58 AM »

Rifleman,
as CAC is reserved for cadet officers as a venue for them to focus on indirect leadership (see the CAC guide) and your profile indicates you're a junior C/NCO. Therefore, my advice is to continue progressing through Phase II, learning direct leadership of troops and being the best C/NCO possible to demonstrate your mastery of same. That will position you to be a great unit level candidate to CAC when you've passed your Mitchell.  Good luck!

CAC is open to cadet NCOs as well as cadet officers.

We have danced this dance before in previous threads and I am aware of what eservices lets you do just as you should know that the clear intent of the program of record per the pubs is phase appropriate cadet officers.

Feel free to advise Rifleman as you'd like - as I have. His chain and his Wing will have the final say. In my Wing, he as a junior C/NCO would be thanked for his interest and his Commander counseled and he would not be seated on CAC.

Vr
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You might want to read the actual regulations then.

Quote from: CAPR 60-1
7.2.1.3. Composite and cadet squadron commanders appoint two cadet NCOs or officers. If the unit does not have qualified cadets available, the position(s) may remain vacant.

jeders I did. See the word qualufied. Go reread the old posts. Dont care to re argue this all over again with you.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2018, 09:48:40 AM »

Thank you all. I am a senior member. We just had a commander change Tuesday night and we were trying to get 2 of our cadet officers in CAC ASAP. We did go to duty assignments and put it in there but when the cadet looks at his eservices it doesn’t show up.  From our end it looked like it worked but not the cadets. Not sure of the official deadline for CAC. 60-1 says sept 15 but elsewhere it says sept 1. But our new commander just became active in eservices Tuesday night so trying to get it in before sept 15 at least.


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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2018, 10:12:02 AM »

Noted also Rifleman that your sig says you are your units PAO. As thats a senior member job i think you mean to say Cadet PA NCO, right?

(Point being, boundaries do matter if you are following the program, as with CAC).

Best,
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There is a Senior Squadron and a Cadet Squadron. So there are two PAOs
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2018, 10:15:16 AM »

Thank you all. I am a senior member. We just had a commander change Tuesday night and we were trying to get 2 of our cadet officers in CAC ASAP. We did go to duty assignments and put it in there but when the cadet looks at his eservices it doesn’t show up.  From our end it looked like it worked but not the cadets. Not sure of the official deadline for CAC. 60-1 says sept 15 but elsewhere it says sept 1. But our new commander just became active in eservices Tuesday night so trying to get it in before sept 15 at least.


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Go to Reports, runs the Duty Assignments including cadet positions. It should show up if it went through.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2018, 10:57:40 AM »

Thank you all. I am a senior member. We just had a commander change Tuesday night and we were trying to get 2 of our cadet officers in CAC ASAP. We did go to duty assignments and put it in there but when the cadet looks at his eservices it doesn’t show up.  From our end it looked like it worked but not the cadets. Not sure of the official deadline for CAC. 60-1 says sept 15 but elsewhere it says sept 1. But our new commander just became active in eservices Tuesday night so trying to get it in before sept 15 at least.


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Go to Reports, runs the Duty Assignments including cadet positions. It should show up if it went through.

Also, there's no urgency around this appointment in regards to a new CC.  It's not one of the things on the
list that needs to be handle within the first 30 days, or for that matter ever.

Your focus should be on Finance, property, organizational contacts, and an SUI self-assessment.
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2018, 11:39:04 AM »

Make sure you have cadets that want to participate in CAC and have a track record of actively staying involves in those types of venues. Some cadets express interest, and then sit idle. It reflects upon the unit and drags everyone else down.

Another thing to consider is your feeling on a cadet's readiness to serve in that capacity. To Spam's point, just because a cadet is a C/NCO, or even a cadet officer, does not mean that person should be placed in that position "because it's all we have." Determine whether this person is going to learn in that role, and have the knowledge and experience to appropriately discuss the topics at hand.

Finally, what do you do when you don't have a cadet who really wants to be in that role? Leave it vacant, and notify Wing as to your reason (the commander should do this, or your Deputy Commander for Cadets). There's nothing wrong with not having a representative on CAC, so long as the reason is because you do not have a cadet eligible, willing, or ready to serve on CAC. Be sure that it's not in avoidance of participating.

Our unit has not been able to get a cadet to stay active in CAC at both the Group and Wing levels. We're trying again this season to get someone to participate. But we've had issues with people committing in the past. I'd personally rather have an empty chair with nobody to fill it than an empty chair with a name plaque in front of it and our unit name underneath.

Do not join CAC and not stay involved. It's obnoxious.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2018, 05:48:42 PM »

Noted also Rifleman that your sig says you are your units PAO. As thats a senior member job i think you mean to say Cadet PA NCO, right?

(Point being, boundaries do matter if you are following the program, as with CAC).

Best,
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There is a Senior Squadron and a Cadet Squadron. So there are two PAOs

Agreed... every unit is authorized a PAO billet, which is defined as a senior member position (not a cadet one). See CAPR 20-1, Part III, "Senior Member Position Descriptions", page 43, PAO.
See: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R_020001I_2_Jan_13_ICL_17_Nov_15_IC_27DA2EEB6245B.pdf


As you are a cadet, that's not your job, so let's find the right place for you to contribute.  For a discussion on how support Cadet Officer/NCOs are intended to be staffed and organized per the program, take a look at the Cadet Staff Handbook, CAPP 60-31. It doesn't even mention Cadet PAOs or PA NCOs but were I your unit/CC I would absolutely encourage your interest, and socket you correctly in the right job. See cadet support staff position descriptions down around page 50:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Cadet_Staff_Handbook__Nov_16__Web_47474DD79B032.pdf


Keep in mind that CAPP 201 (PAO Specialty Track Study Guide) applies only to senior members, not cadets, and that Cadet PA NCO/Officer is additional duty for you - not your primary specialty - so my sincere advice is to stay focused on progressing as a Cadet NCO and let PA NCO be the icing on the cake.  Best wishes to you!


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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2018, 10:45:47 AM »

To be fair, the duties in the Cadet Staff Handbook are not set in stone for every unit. You can add positions or leave them vacant as you choose (as a unit commander). The intent and philosophy for staffing needs to remain: to provide opportunities for leadership, learning, and advancement, and grades should be appropriate for the tasking.

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Position descriptions outline the main duties of a command or staff
position. They are a starting point for discussing what responsibilities
are most essential in a given job — they are not written in stone and
do not pretend to be absolutely comprehensive. Commanders may
adjust cadet position descriptions using common sense and good
judgment. What is most important is that each cadet knows what is
expected of him or her and receives some guidance as they begin their
leadership assignment.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2018, 11:09:14 AM »

Noted also Rifleman that your sig says you are your units PAO. As thats a senior member job i think you mean to say Cadet PA NCO, right?

(Point being, boundaries do matter if you are following the program, as with CAC).

Best,
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There is a Senior Squadron and a Cadet Squadron. So there are two PAOs

Agreed... every unit is authorized a PAO billet, which is defined as a senior member position (not a cadet one). See CAPR 20-1, Part III, "Senior Member Position Descriptions", page 43, PAO.
See: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R_020001I_2_Jan_13_ICL_17_Nov_15_IC_27DA2EEB6245B.pdf


As you are a cadet, that's not your job, so let's find the right place for you to contribute.  For a discussion on how support Cadet Officer/NCOs are intended to be staffed and organized per the program, take a look at the Cadet Staff Handbook, CAPP 60-31. It doesn't even mention Cadet PAOs or PA NCOs but were I your unit/CC I would absolutely encourage your interest, and socket you correctly in the right job. See cadet support staff position descriptions down around page 50:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Cadet_Staff_Handbook__Nov_16__Web_47474DD79B032.pdf


Keep in mind that CAPP 201 (PAO Specialty Track Study Guide) applies only to senior members, not cadets, and that Cadet PA NCO/Officer is additional duty for you - not your primary specialty - so my sincere advice is to stay focused on progressing as a Cadet NCO and let PA NCO be the icing on the cake.  Best wishes to you!


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This is a separate squadron. There is a senior one and a cadet one. I am in charge of the cadet one.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2018, 11:10:40 AM »

Noted also Rifleman that your sig says you are your units PAO. As thats a senior member job i think you mean to say Cadet PA NCO, right?

(Point being, boundaries do matter if you are following the program, as with CAC).

Best,
Spam

There is a Senior Squadron and a Cadet Squadron. So there are two PAOs

Agreed... every unit is authorized a PAO billet, which is defined as a senior member position (not a cadet one). See CAPR 20-1, Part III, "Senior Member Position Descriptions", page 43, PAO.
See: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R_020001I_2_Jan_13_ICL_17_Nov_15_IC_27DA2EEB6245B.pdf


As you are a cadet, that's not your job, so let's find the right place for you to contribute.  For a discussion on how support Cadet Officer/NCOs are intended to be staffed and organized per the program, take a look at the Cadet Staff Handbook, CAPP 60-31. It doesn't even mention Cadet PAOs or PA NCOs but were I your unit/CC I would absolutely encourage your interest, and socket you correctly in the right job. See cadet support staff position descriptions down around page 50:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Cadet_Staff_Handbook__Nov_16__Web_47474DD79B032.pdf


Keep in mind that CAPP 201 (PAO Specialty Track Study Guide) applies only to senior members, not cadets, and that Cadet PA NCO/Officer is additional duty for you - not your primary specialty - so my sincere advice is to stay focused on progressing as a Cadet NCO and let PA NCO be the icing on the cake.  Best wishes to you!


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I also have checked the staff handbook and this is what I was assigned, even thought it is not in the handbook. I am not going to argue with my superiors about my positions
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2018, 11:19:29 AM »

I also have checked the staff handbook and this is what I was assigned, even thought it is not in the handbook. I am not going to argue with my superiors about my positions

What does it say in eServices?
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2018, 11:28:04 AM »

I also have checked the staff handbook and this is what I was assigned, even thought it is not in the handbook. I am not going to argue with my superiors about my positions

What does it say in eServices?

They haven't entered anything yet but I was told in person that I am the squadron PAO. I will ask them to input the position in eServices
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2018, 11:29:14 AM »

(Laughing because he's changed his Captalk signature to PA NCO).

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You're on the right track, Rifleman... keep going here...!

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2018, 11:30:30 AM »

(Laughing because he's changed his Captalk signature to PA NCO).

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You're on the right track, Rifleman... keep going here...!

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Figured I should end the PAO conversation and get beck onto the CAC conversation
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2018, 11:03:07 AM »

Figured I should end the PAO conversation and get beck onto the CAC conversation

Denied.

I also have checked the staff handbook and this is what I was assigned, even thought it is not in the handbook. I am not going to argue with my superiors about my positions

What does it say in eServices?

They haven't entered anything yet but I was told in person that I am the squadron PAO. I will ask them to input the position in eServices

You're not the "Squadron" anything. You're the Cadet (whatever) within the squadron.

Your squadron is a cadet squadron. This means you have a Commander, a senior staff, and a cadet staff with subordinate cadets within whatever your corps structure is.

The squadron can still have a senior member Public Affairs person. As the Cadet Public Affairs NCO, this would be a duty mentor while you still report to your cadet superior (Cadet Commander, Cadet Deputy Commander for Support, whomever). A Cadet PA NCO would typically be expected to help run social media pages, perhaps update the website, draft newsletters, take photos and publish them, etc..as they apply to the cadet program. But you aren't responsible for the content from the perspective of compliance or safety/security. The Commander, through the support of a senior member Public Affairs Officer, would bear that responsibility.

The same goes for a Cadet Logistics or Cadet Supply NCO, Cadet Communications NCO, Cadet Safety NCO, etc. Even if there is no senior member counterpart, cadets do not hold a primary position in the unit which make them responsible for that function outside of the scope of being a cadet within the cadet organization.

Try Page 23:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R020_001_73F1BA70FD9EB.pdf
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2018, 11:11:14 AM »

Figured I should end the PAO conversation and get beck onto the CAC conversation

Denied.

I also have checked the staff handbook and this is what I was assigned, even thought it is not in the handbook. I am not going to argue with my superiors about my positions

What does it say in eServices?

They haven't entered anything yet but I was told in person that I am the squadron PAO. I will ask them to input the position in eServices

You're not the "Squadron" anything. You're the Cadet (whatever) within the squadron.

Your squadron is a cadet squadron. This means you have a Commander, a senior staff, and a cadet staff with subordinate cadets within whatever your corps structure is.

The squadron can still have a senior member Public Affairs person. As the Cadet Public Affairs NCO, this would be a duty mentor while you still report to your cadet superior (Cadet Commander, Cadet Deputy Commander for Support, whomever). A Cadet PA NCO would typically be expected to help run social media pages, perhaps update the website, draft newsletters, take photos and publish them, etc..as they apply to the cadet program. But you aren't responsible for the content from the perspective of compliance or safety/security. The Commander, through the support of a senior member Public Affairs Officer, would bear that responsibility.

The same goes for a Cadet Logistics or Cadet Supply NCO, Cadet Communications NCO, Cadet Safety NCO, etc. Even if there is no senior member counterpart, cadets do not hold a primary position in the unit which make them responsible for that function outside of the scope of being a cadet within the cadet organization.

Try Page 23:
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R020_001_73F1BA70FD9EB.pdf


Ok I have changed my CAP Talk signature. In the form there is no cadet public affairs officer/NCO. Should I just submit ideas then ask to carry them out? Or what?
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2018, 11:20:04 AM »

In the form there is no cadet public affairs officer/NCO. Should I just submit ideas then ask to carry them out? Or what?

If you're assigned as the Cadet PA NCO, then that's your assignment. Just ask your Commander or Deputy Commander to have your duty position entered into eServices. Cadet PA NCO is in there. I just went into it to verify it still exists.

What's important is for you to have a job description provided to you and your cadet superior so that you know what the expectations are for your role. This helps gives you guidance as to what your responsibilities as a cadet are in the unit, and also gives your leadership guidance as to what to expect from you (and to not expect). You don't want someone going "Hey, did you perform the Safety Briefing for the activity?" when that isn't your job (just as an example).

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2018, 11:36:29 AM »


(Ahhhh, Hornet...) I getcha...

Rifleman, the great thing is that you have a solid volunteer spirit and what may appear as hectoring and pushiness to you is actually going ro help you in the long run. For example, by regularizing the duty appointment and getting it into the system correctly you are starting to build a track record on line. That record set will score you higher in your later cadet career when you apply for things like scholarships (where this will literally pay off).

Again... Stick with this. You're on the right path!

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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2018, 12:58:51 PM »


(Ahhhh, Hornet...) I getcha...

Rifleman, the great thing is that you have a solid volunteer spirit and what may appear as hectoring and pushiness to you is actually going ro help you in the long run. For example, by regularizing the duty appointment and getting it into the system correctly you are starting to build a track record on line. That record set will score you higher in your later cadet career when you apply for things like scholarships (where this will literally pay off).

Again... Stick with this. You're on the right path!

Cheers
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Thank you all for this information. I was unaware of who had to input the duty assignments. I have asked many fellow cadets in my squadron that have a duty assignment if they have it stated in eServices, many of them don't, so I will make sure that those who have an assignment are label in eServices as their assignment.

Also, thank you for the encouragement. I will keep up the good work.              ;D
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2018, 03:34:47 PM »

So here's how duty assignments work, and excuse me for some ignorance as to user permission in eServices, if I exclude any...

Your Commander, Deputy Commander, or Personnel Officer can enter you into various duty positions (both as cadet or senior member)...obviously, as a cadet, you cannot be assigned to a senior member duty position (like, you couldn't be made Deputy Commander or Finance Officer).

eServices lets you select the individual cadet (from your roster), and you determine what functional area they will be assigned. For cadets, this is:
- CAC Appointment
- Command Selection
- NCO Support
- Officer Support

CAC include Group Assistant, Group Rep, Wing Assistant, and Wing Rep.

Command Selection includes Cadet Commander, Cadet Deputy Commander, First Sergeant, Flight Commander, Flight Sergeant, and Element Leader.

NCO Support includes all of those support jobs I listed in the previous screenshot. Officer Support includes those same jobs but with the "Officer" added instead of "NCO."

*There may be a few roles missing, but I'm simplifying it for the most part.

eServices will not let you assign someone that does not meet the minimum or maximum grades allowed according to CAPR 60-1. What is does let you do is backdate the assignment if needed. What it does not let you do is backdate the removal of a duty assignment. So if you go "Oops, I forgot to unassign that cadet...they haven't been in that role for 3 months," it still shows that today's date was the day you removed them from that job. So it's a little clunky.

As you can see, the choices in eServices are not entirely matching to the Cadet Staff Handbook, especially the support roles. There are obviously a lot more roles offered in eServices than the handbook discusses. This is where you can reference the line in the handbook that says that the roles of cadets are not set in stone, and you can tailor your org chart to your unit's desires, but you should provide job descriptions.

What I recommend is, if you go beyond the duty assignments eServices offers, you provide an equivalent assignment in eServices. For example, if your unit assigns a Cadet Fitness NCO (maybe rather than having the First Sergeant do this job, you add a new duty position), then you can make them a Leadership NCO or Activities NCO, as the closest duty positions there might be...and yes, Cadet Fitness NCO is a thing at some units. Some units also assign a Cadet Plans & Programs Officer.

So there's all kinds of ways to set up your unit. As long as it works, and it serves a purpose, go for it. But write up job descriptions, draw up organizational charts that show reporting lines, and try to get them into eServices. I understand this isn't your responsibility, but perhaps, as a member of the cadet staff at your unit, it's a talking point for a cadet staff meeting (hopefully, you have those now and then).

I have a couple of cadets at college in my unit. They both have the same assignment since they still "actively participate" from abroad; one is the primary, and one is the assistant (different tasks, but related). eServices only lets me mark them both the same job. So I just let them sit there. It's not really a big deal in the grand scheme, but I try to keep up with it.

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