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i_am_a_politician
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« on: September 12, 2018, 06:53:16 AM »

Hey all, just got my Mitchell today, which also means another ribbon to add to my rack.

What do you all think about short stacking?  Does it look more professional and cleaner overall?  Can it possibly confuse more junior (and sometimes seasoned) cadets when a C/CMSgt has more ribbons than a C/Capt?

Do you recommend it? (especially for comfort since bigger racks tend to get less comfortable)
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 07:09:03 AM »

I've done it as a senior member. It's one of those things where most people with common sense will (rightly) assume that since you have a Mitchell, you have all the ribbons that came before it.

It is a bit easier.

39-1 will lay out what you're allowed to do. Follow it, and you shouldn't have any problem.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 08:41:28 AM »

+1 - Don't over think it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 09:49:02 AM »

In the guide above titled 'The Proper Wear of CAP Ribbons' there are recommendations on short-stacking. It used to be allowed only for seniors but cadets can short stack after they've earned the Mitchell Award.


In the Squidward Service - ahem - the Navy, there are three options for short-stacking ribbons:


Single row of three consisting of the three top decorations and awards.
Three rows of three containing any nine decorations and awards. These must be in the proper order of precedence.
Full stack on service dress uniforms.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 09:56:37 AM »

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In the Squidward Service - ahem - the Navy, there are three options for short-stacking ribbons:

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Good thing we're not the Navy.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 10:00:55 AM »

 ;D
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 10:05:16 AM »

What do you all think about short stacking?  Does it look more professional and cleaner overall?  Can it possibly confuse more junior (and sometimes seasoned) cadets when a C/CMSgt has more ribbons than a C/Capt?

It shouldn't confuse anyone how many ribbons you have. What's on your shoulders and flight cap indicate your grade, not your ribbon rack. Most people couldn't even tell you what ribbon means what.

I don't even wear ribbons, only badges. In fact, I think all but one of our cadet officers wears ribbons, to include a C/Lt Col. There is that old "tradition" about Air Force officers not wearing ribbons. But that's an -ism that really means nothing, and it's not as often as people think.

For me, ribbons are just one more thing I have to tend to on a uniform, and one more thing for me to lose or dirty up. But that's me. Don't take that as guidance. The less I have to wear, the easier (ooh-la-la, tres chic!).

In the military, it's more likely that an E-9 would have more ribbons than an O-3. He's been in a heck of a lot longer. But really, nobody cares.

If anyone is paying attention to your ribbon rack and not your authority, there's a bigger issue. Maybe work on teaching them modesty.
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Jester
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 10:26:11 AM »

In the guide above titled 'The Proper Wear of CAP Ribbons' there are recommendations on short-stacking. It used to be allowed only for seniors but cadets can short stack after they've earned the Mitchell Award.


In the Squidward Service - ahem - the Navy, there are three options for short-stacking ribbons:


Single row of three consisting of the three top decorations and awards.
Three rows of three containing any nine decorations and awards. These must be in the proper order of precedence.
Full stack on service dress uniforms.

Where did you get that not about the mitchell?  Because thatís not on the reg.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 10:38:03 AM »

Hey all, just got my Mitchell today, which also means another ribbon to add to my rack.

What do you all think about short stacking?  Does it look more professional and cleaner overall?  Can it possibly confuse more junior (and sometimes seasoned) cadets when a C/CMSgt has more ribbons than a C/Capt?

Do you recommend it? (especially for comfort since bigger racks tend to get less comfortable)

I personally always do it, unless I have to face a Board of Review.  My personal view is that having a boat load of ribbons on the uniform doesn't really add anything (the cadet promotion ribbons are represented with stripes, circles, and diamonds... do we really need a ribbon for each one as well?) and that it can lead to promoting for the wrong reasons.  And as such I opt to wear as few as possible when I can.  It is also common for me to forgo ribbons on my class B uniform altogether.

And yes, it is certainly more comfortable! :)  As far as I'm concerned, the less frogs pressing into my chest the better, since bigger racks tend to have more fasteners.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 01:29:15 PM »

CAPM 39-1, Page 112:

11.1.1.1.2. Cadets. Cadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar by
removing all cadet achievement ribbons but their highest Cadet Program achievement ribbon. All other
earned CAP ribbons and devices must still be worn
.

Nothing about Mitchell.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2018, 01:39:03 PM »

In the guide above titled 'The Proper Wear of CAP Ribbons' there are recommendations on short-stacking. It used to be allowed only for seniors but cadets can short stack after they've earned the Mitchell Award.


In the Squidward Service - ahem - the Navy, there are three options for short-stacking ribbons:


Single row of three consisting of the three top decorations and awards.
Three rows of three containing any nine decorations and awards. These must be in the proper order of precedence.
Full stack on service dress uniforms.

Where did you get that not about the mitchell?  Because thatís not on the reg.

Considering how many years (decades) it's been since Chuck was a cadet, I'm guessing that things have changed just a little.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 02:01:05 PM »

In the guide above titled 'The Proper Wear of CAP Ribbons' there are recommendations on short-stacking. It used to be allowed only for seniors but cadets can short stack after they've earned the Mitchell Award.


In the Squidward Service - ahem - the Navy, there are three options for short-stacking ribbons:


Single row of three consisting of the three top decorations and awards.
Three rows of three containing any nine decorations and awards. These must be in the proper order of precedence.
Full stack on service dress uniforms.

Where did you get that not about the mitchell?  Because thatís not on the reg.

Considering how many years (decades) it's been since Chuck was a cadet, I'm guessing that things have changed just a little.


Yea, my age is showing as a former cadink!  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2018, 02:49:47 PM »

CAPM 39-1, Page 112:

11.1.1.1.2. Cadets. Cadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar by
removing all cadet achievement ribbons but their highest Cadet Program achievement ribbon. All other
earned CAP ribbons and devices must still be worn
.

Nothing about Mitchell.

What about Milestone awards?
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 02:53:52 PM »

CAPM 39-1, Page 112:

11.1.1.1.2. Cadets. Cadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar by
removing all cadet achievement ribbons but their highest Cadet Program achievement ribbon. All other
earned CAP ribbons and devices must still be worn
.

Nothing about Mitchell.

What about Milestone awards?

What about them? The milestone is a Cadet Program achievement. So as a C/TSgt, you would wear your Rickenbacker ribbon, not your Wright Brothers ribbon.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 03:13:17 PM »

CAPM 39-1, Page 112:

11.1.1.1.2. Cadets. Cadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar by
removing all cadet achievement ribbons but their highest Cadet Program achievement ribbon. All other
earned CAP ribbons and devices must still be worn
.

Nothing about Mitchell.

What about Milestone awards?

What about them? The milestone is a Cadet Program achievement. So as a C/TSgt, you would wear your Rickenbacker ribbon, not your Wright Brothers ribbon.

You wear your highest Cadet Program Achievement ribbon. Same rule the senior members follow.
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 03:28:16 PM »

I've done it as a senior member. It's one of those things where most people with common sense will (rightly) assume that since you have a Mitchell, you have all the ribbons that came before it.

It is a bit easier.

39-1 will lay out what you're allowed to do. Follow it, and you shouldn't have any problem.

But, but, I have a Mitchell, and I do not have all the prior ribbons. I was never awarded the Curry, because I did my first achievement under the olde program.  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 06:38:25 PM »

I usually donít wear ribbons or I short-stack on class Bís, it just depends on the occasion for me.

And I recommend wearing all your ribbons on class Aís, it looks neater in my opinion.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 10:08:52 PM »


If anyone is paying attention to your ribbon rack.....


No m'aam! ... its was your "ribbon" rack I was admiring.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 10:56:43 PM »

I've done it as a senior member. It's one of those things where most people with common sense will (rightly) assume that since you have a Mitchell, you have all the ribbons that came before it.

It is a bit easier.

39-1 will lay out what you're allowed to do. Follow it, and you shouldn't have any problem.

But, but, I have a Mitchell, and I do not have all the prior ribbons. I was never awarded the Curry, because I did my first achievement under the olde program.  ;)

Wear the Red Traing Ribbon-if you can find one.:)
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 11:37:16 PM »

Red Training ribbon came after  satisfactorily completing Achievement One of the Phase II cadet training program.

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