"POD and CERT are, and will continue, to be random circumstantial opportunistichappenstance." Just like air and ground SAR!
GSAR requires the same local relationships POD and CERT do. In many places, CAP's GSAR taskings are nonexistant, or almost so.It may be that the local EM folks have decided CAP is the best resource for the POD mission in their area. Looking at this in a positive light, if CAP develops the skills and training and manpower to carry out this mission in one wing, its use could spread. Kind of like how the AP stuff spread.
Until there is a DR doctrine, and an updated ES doctrine in total, none of this will change.
Certainly the GT's working a missing a/c mission. Once it has been narrowed to a county or two, the responsibility for the mission shifts to the local sheriff/EM/SAR folks.
POD and CERT are, and will continue, to be random circumstantial opportunistic happenstance. CAP isn't going to be in either of these businesses beyond the occasional "extra hands" situation when someone directly involved with a local agency or EMA is either a member or otherwise hears about CAP.It doesn't have the manpower, resources, or even the consistent logistics to be a primary agency, and there are plenty of organizations who already do.Municipalities of the proper scale already have organization CERT teams under their direct control, and don't need CAP in anything but the most dire situation, and in those cases, they don't care about whether a member has CERT on their 101 card, they just need help, and will take whoever they can get.Municipalities can get funding and manpower directly from FEMA or their states, they don't need CAP in the middle of it.This is no different then the ARC relationship. These organizations are happy enough to get CAP'scontact list for recruiting, but have no interest in its uniforms If you want to be on a CERT team, join the one in your town, if you want to run a POD, contact your County EMA, or Health department.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 22, 2018, 03:06:51 PMPOD and CERT are, and will continue, to be random circumstantial opportunistic happenstance. CAP isn't going to be in either of these businesses beyond the occasional "extra hands" situation when someone directly involved with a local agency or EMA is either a member or otherwise hears about CAP.It doesn't have the manpower, resources, or even the consistent logistics to be a primary agency, and there are plenty of organizations who already do.Municipalities of the proper scale already have organization CERT teams under their direct control, and don't need CAP in anything but the most dire situation, and in those cases, they don't care about whether a member has CERT on their 101 card, they just need help, and will take whoever they can get.Municipalities can get funding and manpower directly from FEMA or their states, they don't need CAP in the middle of it.This is no different then the ARC relationship. These organizations are happy enough to get CAP'scontact list for recruiting, but have no interest in its uniforms If you want to be on a CERT team, join the one in your town, if you want to run a POD, contact your County EMA, or Health department.As a member of my community CERT team, I'd take the time to point out that you're basing your assumptions on a lack of data, but every state/local government CERT program (in spite of FEMA insisting otherwise) is different. So it may be true where you live, but it isn't everywhere. And CAP needs to be in the ground DR/USAR/CERT game.
As a member of my community CERT team, I'd take the time to point out that you're basing your assumptions on a lack of data, but every state/local government CERT program (in spite of FEMA insisting otherwise) is different. So it may be true where you live, but it isn't everywhere. And CAP needs to be in the ground DR/USAR/CERT game.
In California, after the Northridge quake, we did a good bit of "Point of Distribution" activities. One weekend, I drove a forklift at a previously unused Sears warehouse where the Red Cross was staging supply distribution. Other weekends, I was slinging supplies by hand. Probably wouldn't hurt to have a course familiarizing our people with those operations.
.... and the year after a lot of CAP members assisted in their communities in Puerto Rico with shelters and with points of distribution.
Quote from: w7sar on August 20, 2018, 04:44:20 AM.... and the year after a lot of CAP members assisted in their communities in Puerto Rico with shelters and with points of distribution. As uniformed CAP members on CAP missions ... or do you mean they learned skills so they could go volunteer at other agencies as plain clothes civilian volunteers? Which is a great and wonderful thing either way.If it was for CAP missions, I'd like to know more about how that was done.
Quote from: etodd on August 21, 2018, 04:36:11 PMQuote from: w7sar on August 20, 2018, 04:44:20 AM.... and the year after a lot of CAP members assisted in their communities in Puerto Rico with shelters and with points of distribution. As uniformed CAP members on CAP missions ... or do you mean they learned skills so they could go volunteer at other agencies as plain clothes civilian volunteers? Which is a great and wonderful thing either way.If it was for CAP missions, I'd like to know more about how that was done.https://www.ncwgcap.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&pageID=438
the NC wing site mentions an actual in-residence class to go with the course.