If a CAP is lacking, we should not look for USAF guidance unless instructed so in advance.
One example. 15 years ago, you could wear a Unit Citation Ribbon if your unit was involved but you were not a member when it was awarded. Now you cannot wear the Unit Citation Ribbon unless you were a member when it was awarded.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 05, 2018, 05:55:14 PMIf a CAP is lacking, we should not look for USAF guidance unless instructed so in advance.Agree.In 99.99999999(repeating)% of the cases, if it's not in the CAP regs, it's because it either doesn't apply to CAP, or appllies so seldom that it should be handled on an individual basis. This includes uniform wear and items, protocol, etc., etc.The AFI's might be considered as a basis-document by NHQ when considering regulations, but theaverage member has no need to know they exisit, let alone think about referring to them every time a someone wants to argue about something they shouldn't even be dealing with in the first place.Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 05, 2018, 05:55:14 PMOne example. 15 years ago, you could wear a Unit Citation Ribbon if your unit was involved but you were not a member when it was awarded. Now you cannot wear the Unit Citation Ribbon unless you were a member when it was awarded.I don't believe this has ever been the case, especially within the last 15 years - it's always been worn only by those who actually earned it.
If a CAP is lacking, we should not look for USAF guidance unless instructed so in advance.Otherwise there is no end in sight.We would have to accept any branch interpretation. Also one way of doing things changes over time according to training.One example. 15 years ago, you could wear a Unit Citation Ribbon if your unit was involved but you were not a member when it was awarded. Now you cannot wear the Unit Citation Ribbon unless you were a member when it was awarded.
15 August 1960[/b]] 9. g. Unit Citation Award Ribbon (for individuals). The ribbon will be worn by all members of a unit which has received a Unit Citation Award by orders of National Headquarters subsequent to 15 November 1955. Those individuals who were members at any time during the period (shown in the orders) for which the unit was cited for the Unit Award may wear the award permanently. Those individuals who joined the unit after this period may wear the ribbon as long as they are members of the unit. When they cease to be members of the unit which won the award, they cannot wear the Unit Citation Award Ribbon, unless they are members of another unit which has won the award. Evidence of membership as above is all that is necessary for an individual to wear the ribbon. Unit commanders should post the members' record to show their eligibility to wear the ribbon.
2 July 1998[/i]] 12. c. (2) Only one Unit Citation Award certificateand streamer will be presented to the unit receiving theaward. For example, if an entire group (rather than just thegroup headquarters) receives the Unit Citation Award, thecertificate and streamer will be displayed at groupheadquarters only; however, all members of the groupheadquarters and squadrons within that group are authorizedto wear the Unit Citation Ribbon. The members of each unitwhich receive the Unit Citation Award are authorized towear the Unit Citation Ribbon. This ribbon is not furnishedby National Headquarters, but may be purchased from theCAP Bookstore or commercial sources. The Unit CitationRibbon may be worn permanently by all individuals whowere members of the unit during any portion of the period oftime shown in the National Headquarters Personnel Actionannouncing the award. Unit commanders will post themembers’ records to show their eligibility to wear theribbon.
28 December 2012[/b]] 12. c. (2) Only one Unit Citation Award certificate and streamer will be presented to the unit receiving the award. For example, if an entire group (rather than just the group headquarters) receives the Unit Citation Award, the certificate and streamer will be displayed at group headquarters only; however, all members of the group headquarters and squadrons within that group are authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon. This ribbon is not furnished by National Headquarters, but may be purchased from the appropriate commercial sources. The Unit Citation Ribbon is awarded to individuals who were members of the unit during any portion of the period of time shown in the National Headquarters Personnel Action announcing the award. Unit commanders will post the members’ records to show their eligibility to wear the ribbon. Once awarded, members may continue to wear the ribbon even if they transfer out of the unit at a later date.
...Those individuals who joined the unit after this period may wear the ribbon as long as they are members of the unit. When they cease to be members of the unit which won the award, they cannot wear the Unit Citation Award Ribbon, unless they are members of another unit which has won the award.
I tell you, I was Personnel Officer and Admin Officer for several squadrons.I was using, and I read the regulations on my ribbon rack a Unit Citation Ribbon. It was the highest I had, and I still have the racks in my Blues. Last I was Personnel Officer was abt six-seven years ago when there was a change in the regulations covering it. And I stopped wearing that rack.
Staff officers don't "enforce" anything - they are supposed to be subject matter experts who advise the CC if any "enforcement" is necessary.
FYI, CAPM 39-1 is not the operative reg here. CAPR 39-1 (various versions) makes the rules for the award and wear of decorations and awards.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 07, 2018, 06:19:43 AMFYI, CAPM 39-1 is not the operative reg here. CAPR 39-1 (various versions) makes the rules for the award and wear of decorations and awards.Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it CAPR 39-3? I've never seen a CAP R 39-1
The wear of the Unit Citation by people not members of the unit during the citation period has not been authorized since at least 1998, as quoted above. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you.
1. l. Unit Citation Award. The Unit Citation Award ribbon may only be worn bymembers assigned to the unit during any portion of the period of time shown in theNational Headquarters Personnel Action announcing the award. Individuals who join theunit at a later date are not authorized to wear the Unit Citation Ribbon.
Quote from: hamburgee on June 07, 2018, 02:01:02 PMQuote from: SarDragon on June 07, 2018, 06:19:43 AMFYI, CAPM 39-1 is not the operative reg here. CAPR 39-1 (various versions) makes the rules for the award and wear of decorations and awards.Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it CAPR 39-3? I've never seen a CAP R 39-1You're correct.CAPM 39-1 = Civil Air Patrol Uniform ManualCAPR 39-2 = Civil Air Patrol MembershipCAPR 39-3* = Award of CAP Medals, Ribbons and Certificates
Not that this adds anything to this discussion, but the Air Force changes the rules as far as wearing any unit citation the unit had received in the early 1970s.
I know that when I entered the Air Force in September 1974 you could only wear the unit citation award if you were a member of the unit during the time period stated on the order awarding the citation to the unit.