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OldGuy
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« on: May 15, 2018, 03:29:01 AM »

http://www.walb.com/story/38108163/former-c-130-pilot-studies-plane-crash-video

STATESBORO, GA (WTOC) -
Pilots who have flown massive aircraft like the C-130 know all too well the challenges and dangers that come along with it.

We spoke with a veteran pilot Thursday who is heartbroken for the airmen killed in the crash in Port Wentworth Wednesday. He says problems arise from the size, the weight, and the age of these aircraft.

Derek Duke flew transport planes like the C-130 in his 30-year career as an Air Force pilot. He watched his television Wednesday through the coverage of the crash - heartbroken - but also trying to analyze what went wrong.

"Looking at the video of the crash site, the flame pattern, wondering if there were any survivors," he said.

The crash killed all those on board. Duke says many crashes for these planes happen on takeoff, especially as the large planes loaded with fuel climb steeply then begin to level off.

"There is change, not only in the power the engine is producing and the thrust of the propeller but also the airflow," he said.

He said he watched WTOC David Klugh's report Wednesday night and studied the crash video over and over. He believes the pilot did all he could first to take the plane back to the airport, then put it down wherever he could.

"You could see the plane being directed, even though it was out of control. You could tell he was trying to direct it, from the video I saw."

Duke believes the pilot put the plane down in the median of Highway 21 to try and minimize anyone else getting hurt. To him, mechanical problems can come, in spite of maintenance, after decades in the air with turbulence and other stressors. The problems come from age, not design.

"There's no replacement for the C-130 right now, other than other C-130," Duke said.

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Here is an example of reverse pitch:
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PHall
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2018, 01:25:05 PM »

So, I watched the video and also read the transcript. Where does it say anything about the props and reverse thrust?
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Luis R. Ramos
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 01:39:08 PM »

I am confused. Is this about the Puerto Rico National Guard C-130 that crashed recently? Has the NTSB proposed a preliminary cause of the crash being caused by the propellers going into reverse???


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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 01:53:16 PM »

I am confused. Is this about the Puerto Rico National Guard C-130 that crashed recently? Has the NTSB proposed a preliminary cause of the crash being caused by the propellers going into reverse???


 ???

The Air Force Accident Investigation Board is the lead on this accident and they haven't released anything yet. It's a bit early for anything to be released.
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Luis R. Ramos
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »

So why include a video on reverse pitch?

Why speculate at all at this time???

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 04:08:03 PM »

Here is an example of wings falling off

https://youtu.be/PExzHamjqHE


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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 04:52:04 PM »

Here is an example of wings falling off

https://youtu.be/PExzHamjqHE

Tanker 130 crashed due to fatigue cracking in the wing skins.

Both wings were still attached to the PR ANG aircraft.
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grunt82abn
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 05:16:01 PM »

I though I read somewhere as they were turning back one of the wings sheared off causing impact well short of the field.


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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2018, 05:18:09 PM »

Wouldn’t be the first and most likely last time a Wing has clipped off a C-130. We had a prop fly off during take off for a jump back in 93’ and then our sister battalion had a total loss of power causing a mass exodus over housing a month later


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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2018, 05:52:56 PM »

Okay, this aircraft just came out of decommissioning maintenance where they prepped it for it's retirement at the Boneyard.
Basically they removed all of the special equipment that makes this plane a WC-130.
So it got a through pre-flight inspection by both maintenance and by the flight crew, especially the flight engineer.

And it's way too early to speculate on what happened. Lets let the Accident Investigation Board do their job.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2018, 09:47:12 PM »

Yup, let's just do that. When there's more info, we'll open this back up.
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