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I_Am_Twigs
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« on: April 28, 2018, 01:52:39 AM »

So I'm currently a C/CMSgt and I'm planning on hitting C/2nd Lt next month.

I want to attend Cadet Officer School next year and I was wondering what it takes to get accepted, or how I could increase my chances of getting accepted. What kind of activities would I need to prepare for? Is there any extra studying that I'd need to do?

Thanks in advance  -Twigs
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2018, 07:45:01 AM »

So I'm currently a C/CMSgt and I'm planning on hitting C/2nd Lt next month.

I want to attend Cadet Officer School next year and I was wondering what it takes to get accepted, or how I could increase my chances of getting accepted. What kind of activities would I need to prepare for? Is there any extra studying that I'd need to do?

Thanks in advance  -Twigs
Bottom line....is to just apply.   You will get racked and stacked based on your wings processes.   If you don't get it this year your chances for getting the following year go up.  To the point of that it is almost a guarantee that you will be selected for COS in time.

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 03:24:09 PM »

One of my cadets was selected this year as a C/1st Lt. NCSAs are mostly based on an objective points-based system, which you should take the time to understand in order to maximize your chances of getting your primary activity.

Like lordmonar said, the only way to get selected is to apply.


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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2018, 01:40:10 AM »

While COS is the preferred school, if not accepted you should apply for a Region Cadet Leadership school. Most are credited as NCSA's and are accepted for the required training for your Eaker Award. In fact you can apply for RCLS as a C/CMSgt
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 09:53:01 AM »

While COS is the preferred school, if not accepted you should apply for a Region Cadet Leadership school. Most are credited as NCSA's and are accepted for the required training for your Eaker Award. In fact you can apply for RCLS as a C/CMSgt

RCLS will show up under the NCSA section in a member's record in eServices but the NCSA ribbon is not authorized for RCLS attendance.  The same is true for cadets competing at NCC.  It shows up in the same section but doesn't authorize the ribbon.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 05:32:34 PM »

Some RSC's have been credited as NCSA's, hence the word most. The credit is granted by the Cadet Programs people based on the curricula and content on a year by year basis.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2018, 09:40:56 PM »

Some RSC's have been credited as NCSA's, hence the word most. The credit is granted by the Cadet Programs people based on the curricula and content on a year by year basis.

I though all RCLS courses were supposed to follow the same curriculum for the past few years so if 1 gets it then they all do.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2018, 11:15:49 PM »

Some RSC's have been credited as NCSA's, hence the word most. The credit is granted by the Cadet Programs people based on the curricula and content on a year by year basis.

I though all RCLS courses were supposed to follow the same curriculum for the past few years so if 1 gets it then they all do.

No.  This is explained by National on the list of approved CSA:

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RCLS (Standardized curriculum does not meet the 40-hour nationally accredited activity
requirement.   Activities that provide a week-long curriculum can apply to be nationally accredited CSA.)

Here is the list of approved CSAs by year (after the 2nd page):
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/static/media/cms/Current_and_Past_CSA_Ribbon_Lists_C50A3B1835932.pdf
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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 02:59:05 AM »

One of my cadets was selected this year as a C/1st Lt. NCSAs are mostly based on an objective points-based system, which you should take the time to understand in order to maximize your chances of getting your primary activity.

Like lordmonar said, the only way to get selected is to apply.


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Is there a specific document or anything that you'd recommend looking at?

While COS is the preferred school, if not accepted you should apply for a Region Cadet Leadership school. Most are credited as NCSA's and are accepted for the required training for your Eaker Award. In fact you can apply for RCLS as a C/CMSgt

I'd very much prefer COS mainly because several of cadets in my wing have attended it and highly recommend it. Also because COS deals quite a bit with essays and speaking elements (one part of my life that I need to get better with :P). Also I'm not to worried about what rank I'll be when I attend any schools unless they're before May 10 (soonest I can promote to C/2nd Lt  ;D).
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Mitchell #68874
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2018, 07:54:45 AM »

One of my cadets was selected this year as a C/1st Lt. NCSAs are mostly based on an objective points-based system, which you should take the time to understand in order to maximize your chances of getting your primary activity.

Like lordmonar said, the only way to get selected is to apply.


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Is there a specific document or anything that you'd recommend looking at?

Look at this webpage for more information regarding ranking for NCSAs:

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/programs/cadets/activities/national-cadet-special-activities/national-cadet-activity-application-instructions/
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 09:01:41 AM »

Cadet Officer School is the premiere leadership course for Civil Air Patrol.  It is far and above what most RCLS courses offer.  I was involved in on RCLS a few years ago that was not much more than base tours and some PowerPoint presentations.  The cadets only wore blues at graduation.

In the past there was always a waiting list as there were more applicants than available spots.  I believe that has changed in the last few years and now there are less applicants than spots.  I promise that you will have a great time, learn a lot and make some life long friends during your time there.  Good luck!
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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2018, 12:53:43 PM »

One of my cadets was selected this year as a C/1st Lt. NCSAs are mostly based on an objective points-based system, which you should take the time to understand in order to maximize your chances of getting your primary activity.

Like lordmonar said, the only way to get selected is to apply.


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Is there a specific document or anything that you'd recommend looking at?

Look at this webpage for more information regarding ranking for NCSAs:

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/programs/cadets/activities/national-cadet-special-activities/national-cadet-activity-application-instructions/

Thank you! This helps a lot. I think I'd have total score of 42 possibly 142 if the wing commander flips his green light on. Also does an encampment count towards an activity? Or is that just other NCASs?

Cadet Officer School is the premiere leadership course for Civil Air Patrol.  It is far and above what most RCLS courses offer.  I was involved in on RCLS a few years ago that was not much more than base tours and some PowerPoint presentations.  The cadets only wore blues at graduation.

In the past there was always a waiting list as there were more applicants than available spots.  I believe that has changed in the last few years and now there are less applicants than spots.  I promise that you will have a great time, learn a lot and make some life long friends during your time there.  Good luck!

And that is exactly why I want to go to COS  ;) (also I low key want to visit NHQ  ;D). Thank you!
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Mitchell #68874
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2018, 11:35:22 PM »

...does an encampment count towards an activity? Or is that just other NCASs?

Encampment does not equal NCSA, though more then a few require or strongly suggest encampment completion befoe
being approved for an NCSA.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 12:44:49 AM »

With regard to COS, all applicants will have encampment credit, as all applicants are officers.

I've gotten in both years I applied to COS (this year and last year - didn't go last year). It's really just points-based. I had 45 points last year and 52 this year. Last year, I don't think there were enough applicants to fill all available slots.
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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 03:26:43 PM »

Some RSC's have been credited as NCSA's, hence the word most. The credit is granted by the Cadet Programs people based on the curricula and content on a year by year basis.

I though all RCLS courses were supposed to follow the same curriculum for the past few years so if 1 gets it then they all do.

No.  This is explained by National on the list of approved CSA:

Quote
RCLS (Standardized curriculum does not meet the 40-hour nationally accredited activity
requirement.   Activities that provide a week-long curriculum can apply to be nationally accredited CSA.)

Here is the list of approved CSAs by year (after the 2nd page):
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/static/media/cms/Current_and_Past_CSA_Ribbon_Lists_C50A3B1835932.pdf

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RCLS (Standardized curriculum does not meet the 40-hour nationally accredited activity
requirement. Activities that provide a week-long curriculum can apply to be nationally accredited CSA.)

Wait so RMR RCLS would count as a CSA? It's June 24-29, 2018.
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Mitchell #68874
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2018, 03:51:17 PM »

Wait so RMR RCLS would count as a CSA? It's June 24-29, 2018.

Only if they are approved by NHQ.  Just because it is June 24 to 29, does not mean it is automatically approved.  The approval must come from NHQ.
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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 08:05:04 PM »

Wait so RMR RCLS would count as a CSA? It's June 24-29, 2018.

Only if they are approved by NHQ.  Just because it is June 24 to 29, does not mean it is automatically approved.  The approval must come from NHQ.

I was mainly focused on the 40 hour aspect, 24-29 is 5 days so that's 120 total hours. Also where would I look to see if it's approve as a CSA??
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Mitchell #68874
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 08:19:19 PM »

Wait so RMR RCLS would count as a CSA? It's June 24-29, 2018.

Only if they are approved by NHQ.  Just because it is June 24 to 29, does not mean it is automatically approved.  The approval must come from NHQ.

I was mainly focused on the 40 hour aspect, 24-29 is 5 days so that's 120 total hours. Also where would I look to see if it's approve as a CSA??

 :o Is that some of that new Common Core math? How do you get 120 contact hours out of 5 days?

Just like a work week, we use 8 hour days, giving us 40 contact hours for 5 days.
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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2018, 09:18:36 PM »

Haha no I got 120 hours from total time at the event. Wasn't talking about total hours spent doing something. Sorry 'bout that  ;D
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