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OldGuy
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2018, 09:27:44 PM »

Many wings are going to Office365 or google for services. having these .gov accounts streamlines the access for cadets for DLs, Forms, etc. In our wing each account is actually dual aliased with .gov and .org because there are certain things we (CAP) can do with one but not the other officially.

Such as?

Such as advertising, campaigning and fundraising, etc.

Advertising and campaigning? You mean recruiting?

Feel free to cite the regulations that refer to an email domain in this regard.

And that goes for fundraising as well.
Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2018, 10:59:27 PM »

Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.

Cite please.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R173_004_3C78BD19C872E.pdf

https://home.dotgov.gov/registration/

Also...

https://www.nationalservice.gov/about-cncs/donate-now



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OldGuy
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2018, 11:11:05 PM »

Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.

Cite please.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R173_004_3C78BD19C872E.pdf

https://home.dotgov.gov/registration/

Also...

https://www.nationalservice.gov/about-cncs/donate-now
CAPR 120-1 -

6.9. Advertising or fundraising on any .gov domain is not permitted. For the purposes of this section,
"advertising" does not include the recognition of individuals or companies that have demonstrated
financial or other support to the performance of CAP missions. When such recognition is extended via
links or references to non-CAP sites, a disclaimer, in no less than 8-point type, shall be clearly displayed
stating: "LINKS OR REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN
ENDORSEMENT OF ANY INFORMATION, PRODUCT OR SERVICE YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM SUCH
SOURCES.”
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OldGuy
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2018, 11:12:16 PM »

Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.

Cite please.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R173_004_3C78BD19C872E.pdf

https://home.dotgov.gov/registration/

Also...

https://www.nationalservice.gov/about-cncs/donate-now
CAPR 120-1 -

6.9. Advertising or fundraising on any .gov domain is not permitted. For the purposes of this section,
"advertising" does not include the recognition of individuals or companies that have demonstrated
financial or other support to the performance of CAP missions. When such recognition is extended via
links or references to non-CAP sites, a disclaimer, in no less than 8-point type, shall be clearly displayed
stating: "LINKS OR REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN
ENDORSEMENT OF ANY INFORMATION, PRODUCT OR SERVICE YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM SUCH
SOURCES.”
Check w/ your squadron CO or IT officer for details.
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Spaceman3750
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2018, 11:18:04 PM »

Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.

Cite please.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R173_004_3C78BD19C872E.pdf

https://home.dotgov.gov/registration/

Also...

https://www.nationalservice.gov/about-cncs/donate-now
CAPR 120-1 -

6.9. Advertising or fundraising on any .gov domain is not permitted. For the purposes of this section,
"advertising" does not include the recognition of individuals or companies that have demonstrated
financial or other support to the performance of CAP missions. When such recognition is extended via
links or references to non-CAP sites, a disclaimer, in no less than 8-point type, shall be clearly displayed
stating: "LINKS OR REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN
ENDORSEMENT OF ANY INFORMATION, PRODUCT OR SERVICE YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM SUCH
SOURCES.”
Check w/ your squadron CO or IT officer for details.

I’m my squadron “CO” (CC) and I don’t have any further details (but I did phone a friend because I’m pretty sure this should be interpreted to apply to websites, not email).


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Eclipse
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2018, 11:21:29 PM »

Development work (fundraising) cannot be done from a .gov address, for example.

Cite please.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R173_004_3C78BD19C872E.pdf

https://home.dotgov.gov/registration/

Also...

https://www.nationalservice.gov/about-cncs/donate-now
CAPR 120-1 -

6.9. Advertising or fundraising on any .gov domain is not permitted. For the purposes of this section,
"advertising" does not include the recognition of individuals or companies that have demonstrated
financial or other support to the performance of CAP missions. When such recognition is extended via
links or references to non-CAP sites, a disclaimer, in no less than 8-point type, shall be clearly displayed
stating: "LINKS OR REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN
ENDORSEMENT OF ANY INFORMATION, PRODUCT OR SERVICE YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM SUCH
SOURCES.”

Well, interesting.  I know of at least one, if not several, Wings with donation pages on their
.gov websites.
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etodd
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2018, 11:23:29 PM »

And all of the above confusion is why I'll just keep emailing Seniors and Cadets on their yahoo and similar accounts. Keeping it simple. ;)
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OldGuy
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2018, 09:56:48 AM »


I’m my squadron “CO” (CC) and I don’t have any further details (but I did phone a friend because I’m pretty sure this should be interpreted to apply to websites, not email).


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Or not:

FUNDRAISING EMAILS

When using email to communicate outside of CAP about fundraising – whether soliciting
funds or contacting outside organizations about other fundraising opportunities – it is
critically important that members not send such messages from dot-gov (.gov) email
addresses. CAP is developing appropriate email addresses ending in dot-org (.org) that
members can use for fundraising; meanwhile, take care not to originate fundraising emails
using dot-gov addresses.

From https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/static/media/cms/APPROVED_FINAL_Guidelines__Procedur_8658C93540199.pdf

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OldGuy
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2018, 10:00:13 AM »


Well, interesting.  I know of at least one, if not several, Wings with donation pages on their
.gov websites.

No doubt. Wing staff can be as clueless as anyone else - and as subject to groupthink, ego inflation, etc as anyone else.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2018, 10:54:33 AM »

And all of the above confusion is why I'll just keep emailing Seniors and Cadets on their yahoo and similar accounts. Keeping it simple. ;)
Not confusing really, just complicated by our unique status.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2018, 12:11:43 PM »

I would hazard this is another case of one group asserting authority over "thing"
without consulting the group that actually has authority over that "thing".

The regulations regarding fundraising are specific and would cover the issue in question
in other ways.

There are no legal or policy-based restrictions from the .dotgov admins in this regard
and as shown orgs using it as such.

As to email, I would also hazard that the leadership uses their .gov email addresses with donors
in the common sense way it makes sense when speaking for the organization.

Whether and what is restricted is also in question - it would make sense that you couldn't have a
a revenue engine running on the backside of a .gov website, or even directing people to
a GoFundMe page or similar, but links to information about donations
would be "matter of course" and it would be self-defeating to disallow those.

I highly doubt many unit or other orgs are doing fundraising, per se, via their website. Most begging
is probably done via WasteSpace.
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NIN
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2018, 12:21:24 PM »



(I just have this vision of a 12 year old cadet getting his .gov email and thinking it would be funny to send things to his friends impersonating the gov't or whatever, or just generally abusing it to troll people... because younger kids don't always think before doing stuff.)

Except for the fact that your wing doesn't issue cap.gov accounts to cadets. 



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chuckmilam
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2018, 12:31:47 PM »

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CAP is developing appropriate email addresses ending in dot-org (.org) that members can use for fundraising; meanwhile, take care not to originate fundraising emails
using dot-gov addresses....

We really should've snagged CAP.ORG and CivilAirPatrol.org back in the 1990s. 
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PHall
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2018, 01:25:28 PM »

California Wing uses Office365 and most members have a @cawgcap.org e-mail address to use for CAP stuff.
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NIN
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2018, 01:37:37 PM »

We really should've snagged CAP.ORG and CivilAirPatrol.org back in the 1990s.

Oh, come on, Chuck. That Internet thing is just a fad. Pretty soon people will wake up and go back to AOL.
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THRAWN
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2018, 01:44:59 PM »

What do you mean "go back"? I was born a Prodigy user and I'll die a Prodigy user....the screech of the modem is like a symphony to me. Oooohhh...I have mail!


We really should've snagged CAP.ORG and CivilAirPatrol.org back in the 1990s.

Oh, come on, Chuck. That Internet thing is just a fad. Pretty soon people will wake up and go back to AOL.
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chuckmilam
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2018, 02:30:31 PM »

Oh, come on, Chuck. That Internet thing is just a fad. Pretty soon people will wake up and go back to AOL.

NIN is not joking or paraphrasing here, this is a quote that quite possibly was uttered in an [Specific HQ-Level Redacted] conference room in 1996 (±2 years.) 
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THRAWN
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2018, 02:35:07 PM »

An even better one was "I don't get this email nonsense. Why doesn't everybody just use a fax? I do all my business by fax, and pay all of my bills by fax, so there is no point to switching to email...."

Oh, come on, Chuck. That Internet thing is just a fad. Pretty soon people will wake up and go back to AOL.

NIN is not joking or paraphrasing here, this is a quote that quite possibly was uttered in an [Specific HQ-Level Redacted] conference room in 1996 (±2 years.)
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Spaceman3750
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2018, 08:36:58 PM »

An even better one was "I don't get this email nonsense. Why doesn't everybody just use a fax? I do all my business by fax, and pay all of my bills by fax, so there is no point to switching to email...."

Oh, come on, Chuck. That Internet thing is just a fad. Pretty soon people will wake up and go back to AOL.

NIN is not joking or paraphrasing here, this is a quote that quite possibly was uttered in an [Specific HQ-Level Redacted] conference room in 1996 (±2 years.)

Once upon a time, in a Wing far far away, there was a group commander that required his squadron commanders to send all activity approval requests via fax or USPS even though it was 2011 (+- 1 year). Sending them via e-mail required an apology. Putting them in the online system they’re actually supposed to be in was right out.


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OldGuy
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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2018, 09:12:28 PM »

As to email, I would also hazard that the leadership uses their .gov email addresses with donors
in the common sense way it makes sense when speaking for the organization.
Except the regs make it clear - do NOT use .gov emails when doing fundraising. Commonsense suggests following the regs.
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