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Eclipse
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« on: March 02, 2018, 02:18:13 PM »

...there's already a 60-2...so now there's a 60-2(I).

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R060002_Cadet_Protection_1_MAR_18_C9DF90813A654.pdf

Nothing earth shattering pops out, most of it is the equivalent to "tampering with, disabling, or destroying lavatory smoke detectors."
but as with all things CAP, odds are explicit verbiage means someone though a clarification was necessary.

"2.5.7. Travel on Commercial Airlines. When cadets travel to CAP activities via commercial airlines,
the project officer (e.g. conference organizer, NCSA director, etc.) will ensure that an adult leader meets
the cadets at the activity’s designated airport for arrivals or ensure that the cadets have access to a shuttle
bus, for hotel-based activities. For the return trip, because airport security prevents non-flying adult
leaders from accompanying cadets to their gates, CAP releases cadets from the activity upon their
departure for the airport. However, the project officer will ensure cadets can reach an adult leader via
telephone in case of travel difficulties. Project officers will communicate these principles to cadets’
parents in the activity’s welcome letter."


If anything this will likely have the unintended consequences of having to tell cadets they cannot attend
a respective activity if they have to fly to get there.  Few activities like encampments, etc., have the personnel
to give up to be meeting cadets at the airport, and few major cities are going to have shuttles all the way to
the outlying areas that encampments generally take place in. BTW - "an adult leader" = "at least two adults or
an adult and two cadets" due to the 3-up rules in vehicles.  Further, you can guarantee there will be conversations
where people try to use the above verbiage to justify an airport run by themselves based on "an".


"2.6.2.1. An inappropriately high level of training intensity does not meet this regulation’s
definition of abuse or hazing unless it causes serious physical harm or serious emotional harm. "

So a cadet or senior isn't "hazing" per se, if they are treating CAP like FMJ, however that doesn't
mean it shouldn't be dealt with immediately.

" If the unit anticipates that cadets will be waiting on the ground more
than 30 minutes for their turn to fly, at least two adult leaders will provide supervision."

(This might make O-rides more difficult as many untis rely on one CAP leader and the parents.)

"In field conditions, the smallest subgroup must have at least 4 members... "

Includes a member from CAP-USAF that prohibits cadets from ever being 1-on-1 with a cadet.
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jeders
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 06:11:13 PM »

With the exception of the commercial air travel bit, I don't think any of that is new. And if you have an activity where cadets are traveling in by commercial air, how do you expect them to get there if not with a senior or two picking them up in a CAP vehicle from said airport?
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 08:02:38 PM »

Lol. Love you Eclipse, you always making sense out of the new corporate’s soup letters.


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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 08:09:35 PM »

With the exception of the commercial air travel bit, I don't think any of that is new. And if you have an activity where cadets are traveling in by commercial air, how do you expect them to get there if not with a senior or two picking them up in a CAP vehicle from said airport?

What about the cadets who are flying from...say, San Francisco or New York to Montgomery, with a change of planes st Chicago or Atlanta? They will actually (gasp!) have to make it from one terminal to another ALL BY THEMSELVES!


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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2018, 06:40:11 AM »



What about the cadets who are flying from...say, San Francisco or New York to Montgomery, with a change of planes st Chicago or Atlanta? They will actually (gasp!) have to make it from one terminal to another ALL BY THEMSELVES!

I suspect our Dynamic Americans and Aerospace Leaders will somehow manage.



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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 01:18:05 AM »



What about the cadets who are flying from...say, San Francisco or New York to Montgomery, with a change of planes st Chicago or Atlanta? They will actually (gasp!) have to make it from one terminal to another ALL BY THEMSELVES!

I suspect our Dynamic Americans and Aerospace Leaders will somehow manage.

But...but...safety...children...

(I have to laugh, as I sit here remembering flying on a USAF C-130 as an unaccompanied cadet to Dallas NAS, then almost catching a USN P-3 trip to Guantanamo and back while I waited for a USMC C-130 to El Toro...with no CAP people watching over any of it...)


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