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Mustang
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« on: March 02, 2018, 01:37:06 PM »

Announced in DC today that the Air Force Organizational Excellence Award is now authorized for wear by CAP members. The decoration now appears in the awards module on eServices for all qualifying members.

HOWEVER....

...the restriction on wear of military decorations on corporate uniforms was NOT lifted, so only members meeting fitness/grooming standards to wear the AF-style uniform may wear the new ribbon.
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Alaric
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 02:54:02 PM »

Announced in DC today that the Air Force Organizational Excellence Award is now authorized for wear by CAP members. The decoration now appears in the awards module on eServices for all qualifying members.

HOWEVER....

...the restriction on wear of military decorations on corporate uniforms was NOT lifted, so only members meeting fitness/grooming standards to wear the AF-style uniform may wear the new ribbon.

As it should be, if CAP (Corporate entity) wants to develop a ribbon to represent the fact that the AFOEA was awarded that all the members can wear, that's on them.  Military awards cannot be worn on civilian clothing with certain rare exceptions (such as medal of honor winners, I believe)
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Gunsotsu
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 04:19:21 PM »

Military awards cannot be worn on civilian clothing with certain rare exceptions (such as medal of honor winners, I believe)

There is no federal law or guideline prohibiting the wear of military decorations on civilian clothing. Active, Guard, and Reserve personnel are prohibited per their branch except under specific guidelines.

CAP continues to dismiss the service of those of us that whether by choice or chance don't wear Ma Blue's costumes because reasons.

Dead equine. Blunt object. Repeat.
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arajca
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 04:23:33 PM »

Dead equine. Blunt object. Repeat.
Repeatedly.
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Alaric
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 04:39:25 PM »

Military awards cannot be worn on civilian clothing with certain rare exceptions (such as medal of honor winners, I believe)

There is no federal law or guideline prohibiting the wear of military decorations on civilian clothing. Active, Guard, and Reserve personnel are prohibited per their branch except under specific guidelines.

CAP continues to dismiss the service of those of us that whether by choice or chance don't wear Ma Blue's costumes because reasons.

Dead equine. Blunt object. Repeat.

Wear of medals on civilian clothes

Found in Section 30.6 Page 316

Applies to Gender Both

 Retired personnel and former members of the Army (as described above) may wear all categories of medals described in this regulation on appropriate civilian clothing. This includes clothes designed for veteran and patriotic organizations on Veteranís Day, Memorial Day, and Armed Forces Day, as well as at formal occasions of ceremony and social functions of a military nature. Personnel may wear either full-size or miniature medals. Personnel who wear medals on civilian clothes should place the medals on the clothing in approximately the same location and in the same manner as for the Army uniform, so they look similar to medals worn on the Army uniform.


http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi36-2903/afi36-2903.pdf

Sections 11.4 11.8 12.4 12.5
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Sriracha
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 04:50:51 PM »

...the restriction on wear of military decorations on corporate uniforms was NOT lifted, so only members meeting fitness/grooming standards to wear the AF-style uniform may wear the new ribbon.

By fitness standards, do they mean healthy fitness standards under CPFT, or Air Force BMT requirements, or something else?
Also, is the award for cadets too or just senior members?
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MSG Mac
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 04:58:04 PM »

It's the same rule as already in the regs. Military Ribbons cannot be worn on the Grey/White uniforms. Only CAP ribbons can be worn on the G/W.

Healthy is meet the H/W requirements at the back of CAPM 39-1

Cadets who were members during the stated dates can wear the ribbon
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Michael P. McEleney
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movingontootherthings
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 05:22:32 PM »

Here are a couple of ideas. ;D

Amazing what you can do on a lunch break.



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thanks for the memories moving on to other things
SarDragon
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 05:49:50 PM »

Very nice, except that the gong designs on the upper right and lower left are prohibited by the AF Heraldry guide.
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Dave Bowles
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Gunsotsu
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 05:52:57 PM »


Wear of medals on civilian clothes

Found in Section 30.6 Page 316

Applies to Gender Both

 Retired personnel and former members of the Army (as described above) may wear all categories of medals described in this regulation on appropriate civilian clothing. This includes clothes designed for veteran and patriotic organizations on Veteranís Day, Memorial Day, and Armed Forces Day, as well as at formal occasions of ceremony and social functions of a military nature. Personnel may wear either full-size or miniature medals. Personnel who wear medals on civilian clothes should place the medals on the clothing in approximately the same location and in the same manner as for the Army uniform, so they look similar to medals worn on the Army uniform.


http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi36-2903/afi36-2903.pdf

Sections 11.4 11.8 12.4 12.5

AFI 36-2903 DRESS AND PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF AIR FORCE PERSONNEL

Civilians ain't AF personnel. Nice quotation of scripture though.
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dwb
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 05:57:29 PM »

No matter how much progress we make towards becoming a true partner to our parent service, there are always people who complain we haven't come far enough.

They don't want USAF ribbons on non-USAF uniforms. It's not because they hate you personally. Buy the lapel pin and wear it on the blazer.
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Gunsotsu
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 06:02:31 PM »

...becoming a true partner to our parent service

<pedantic>

The US Army is CAP's parent service. The USAF is just the younger, prettier sister that married money.

</pedantic>
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Phil Hirons, Jr.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 06:32:06 PM »

Buy the lapel pin and wear it on the blazer.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line of thought.

USAF awarded this USAF award to a specific group of CAP members. Likely 1/2 the seniors and a group of cadets are not allowed to wear it. There was specific guidance that if the CAP award gave you 2, wear separate ribbons (no cluster). 
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lordmonar
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 06:36:18 PM »

Military awards cannot be worn on civilian clothing with certain rare exceptions (such as medal of honor winners, I believe)

There is no federal law or guideline prohibiting the wear of military decorations on civilian clothing. Active, Guard, and Reserve personnel are prohibited per their branch except under specific guidelines.

CAP USAF continues to dismiss the service of those of us that whether by choice or chance don't wear Ma Blue's costumes because reasons.

Dead equine. Blunt object. Repeat.
FIXED that for you.     
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PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2018, 07:54:44 PM »

Shots fired. Hello guys I see you all guys, keep arguing by the same thing. Uniforms and Corporate HQ.

standards are standards for a reason. Policies are in place and a handful are followed. Just saying about the Ht/Wt for the uniforms. And the ribbon authorization.

Going back to my cave.
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AlphaSigOU
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2018, 10:25:49 PM »

And they ask us why we DRINK!?!?!?


It sux that we can't wear the little piece of bling with corporate grays... but the regs are the regs! Salute and execute, ladies and gentlemen!

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CAP9907
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2018, 11:34:52 PM »

Replies like this are why we cannot have nice things.


...becoming a true partner to our parent service

<pedantic>

The US Army is CAP's parent service. The USAF is just the younger, prettier sister that married money.

</pedantic>
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Fester
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 03:01:00 AM »

As a fat and fuzzy, I REALLY don't understand why people are so upset that we can't wear military ribbons on our fat and fuzzy uniforms.
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LATORRECA
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 05:12:15 AM »

As a fat and fuzzy, I REALLY don't understand why people are so upset that we can't wear military ribbons on our fat and fuzzy uniforms.
Neither do I

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DocJekyll
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2018, 09:57:30 PM »

In before the clicky clicky by SARDRAGON.

*Insert picture of a bunch of cadets standing at attention saluting in a cardboard boat as it sinks*
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