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OldGuy
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« on: February 18, 2018, 01:57:51 AM »

Air Force Academy apologizes for 'microaggressions' after master sergeant urges cadets to follow Michael Jordan's lead and avoid 'gaudy chains' and sagging pants


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swodog
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 05:17:53 AM »

Microagressions.  We'll that's quite a humorous comment by the COL.
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CAPLTC
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 10:33:55 AM »

Good order and discipline is out the window @ USAFA. Has been going downhill for a while.
Standards are not enforced.
I have been increasingly bemused at the things I see and hear there...
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Live2Learn
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 01:12:43 PM »

Interesting.  "Lead by example" is entering entirely new territory.
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Brit_in_CAP
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 05:25:13 PM »


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404423/Air-Force-Academy-apologizes-microaggressions.html#ixzz57R8K96wH
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Just an FYI, from someone who used to read the Daily Mail.....it's not a trustworthy source these days!  The article about USAFA is available from elsewhere, and its sadly true -  :( - , but the DM isn't what it was!
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MSG Mac
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2018, 06:50:42 PM »

How dare a First Sergeant require Officer trainees to follow regulations. What is this world coming to?
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Michael P. McEleney
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 07:02:29 PM »

How dare a First Sergeant require Officer trainees to follow regulations. What is this world coming to?

It's not about the actions he took.  It's about the manner in which he did so.  To many, his letter stinks of racism.
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abdsp51
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 07:32:54 PM »

And the folks can't handle being corrected.  They know the standards and shouldn't cry when they are enforced.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 07:38:05 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.
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Fester
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 08:19:58 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)
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abdsp51
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2018, 08:29:21 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)

Liberal much?
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Fester
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2018, 08:31:59 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)

Liberal much?

Proudly. Is that an issue for you?
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abdsp51
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2018, 08:32:51 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)

Liberal much?

Proudly. Is that an issue for you?

Yup you are what's wrong with this country.
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SAREXinNY
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2018, 08:41:23 PM »

There is no place for racism in our military, but I don't see these issues that were raised as racist. We need to be able to live without constant fear of offending someone. Society has become far too sensitive.
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Ozzy
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2018, 08:49:55 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)

Liberal much?

Proudly. Is that an issue for you?

Yup you are what's wrong with this country.

Both of you just stop. No place for it here at CAP Talk nor in CAP.
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Ozzy
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2018, 08:58:18 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)


Why do you see it as racist? If you actually read the article and the letter written by the first sergeant, you would see that it is about a person dressing for success in the public eye even though he didn't have to and when others around him did not want to dress professionally. The "gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his wast line, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances" comment referred to other basketball players (both black and white) at the time that would wear such clothing before the NBA dress code took affect.
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Fester
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2018, 09:40:40 PM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)


Why do you see it as racist? If you actually read the article and the letter written by the first sergeant, you would see that it is about a person dressing for success in the public eye even though he didn't have to and when others around him did not want to dress professionally. The "gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his wast line, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances" comment referred to other basketball players (both black and white) at the time that would wear such clothing before the NBA dress code took affect.

You tell me to stop and then you ask a question wanting a response?  Which would you like me to do?  :P

PM me if you want my answer. 
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Ozzy
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 09:43:18 PM »

Why do you see it as racist? If you actually read the article and the letter written by the first sergeant, you would see that it is about a person dressing for success in the public eye even though he didn't have to and when others around him did not want to dress professionally. The "gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his wast line, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances" comment referred to other basketball players (both black and white) at the time that would wear such clothing before the NBA dress code took affect.

You tell me to stop and then you ask a question wanting a response?  Which would you like me to do?  :P

PM me if you want my answer.

The politics. The name calling. That stuff isn't okay by the board rules. Actual civil discussion is allowed.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 01:02:44 AM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)
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Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Indeed. But objectively there was no racism there. It is time for a reset in our military.

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"Our soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors don’t need to be bothered with “sensitivity” training. They need to know how to take orders, operate their weapons, and win battles. They don’t have time entertain the stupid notions invented by liberals who never served their country.- General Jim Mattis - Secretary of Defense"


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OldGuy
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 01:04:02 AM »

Why do you see it as racist? If you actually read the article and the letter written by the first sergeant, you would see that it is about a person dressing for success in the public eye even though he didn't have to and when others around him did not want to dress professionally. The "gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his wast line, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances" comment referred to other basketball players (both black and white) at the time that would wear such clothing before the NBA dress code took affect.

You tell me to stop and then you ask a question wanting a response?  Which would you like me to do?  :P

PM me if you want my answer.

The politics. The name calling. That stuff isn't okay by the board rules. Actual civil discussion is allowed.
Indeed. Thank you for speaking up. You represent the best of the NCO corps and why we need folks like you in the program.
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Fester
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 01:14:42 AM »

To many, his letter stinks of racism.
Really? I read his letter, I saw NO racism. None.

Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Personally, I do see some racism in it.  Referring to "gauty" gold chains and "pants sagging below their waistlines" while at the same time referring to a famous African-American athlete?  I don't think the claim that it seems to be racially motivated is a stretch.....

But we all have our opinions.  :)
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Maybe you didn't.  But not everyone feels the same way as you do.

Indeed. But objectively there was no racism there. It is time for a reset in our military.

Quote
"Our soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors don’t need to be bothered with “sensitivity” training. They need to know how to take orders, operate their weapons, and win battles. They don’t have time entertain the stupid notions invented by liberals who never served their country.- General Jim Mattis - Secretary of Defense"

Stupid liberal notions like diversity, equality, anti-sexual assault, etc...???  Stupid liberal notions like allowing African-Americans, women, gays, transgendered to serve side by side???
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Pace
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 01:16:47 AM »

I'm half asleep and don't have time to splice this and send PMs. Leave the politics off CAPTalk. It's a violation of the membership code of conduct, and it will result in suspension and banning with future occurrences.


We're all entitled to opinions and civil discourse. If you can't keep it civil, take it to PM or keep it to yourself.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 01:24:05 AM »

I'm half asleep and don't have time to splice this and send PMs. Leave the politics off CAPTalk. It's a violation of the membership code of conduct, and it will result in suspension and banning with future occurrences.


We're all entitled to opinions and civil discourse. If you can't keep it civil, take it to PM or keep it to yourself.

I think other than abdsp51's ridiculous personal insult, it's been a civil discourse.  So is a civil discourse about something that can't escape politics allowed here or not?
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Pace
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 01:34:17 AM »

You make an excellent point. This clearly cannot escape politics, and CAPTalk has almost never been known to handle sensitive topics well. On top of that, this post has absolutely no direct bearing on CAP as an organization.


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