6.4. Footwear.6.4.1.4. Boots. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the servicedress and service uniforms. They will be highly polished, high gloss or patent leather.
I'll just add here, that if your commander issues a directive (provided that it is legal, ethical, and safe), you should probably follow it. Saying "XoCAPDuDeXo on the internet said I don't have to," is not going to win you any points with your higher-ups.
Quote from: CAPM 39-16.4. Footwear.6.4.1.4. Boots. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the servicedress and service uniforms. They will be highly polished, high gloss or patent leather.
Quote from: SarDragon on July 21, 2017, 03:49:04 AMQuote from: CAPM 39-16.4. Footwear.6.4.1.4. Boots. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the servicedress and service uniforms. They will be highly polished, high gloss or patent leather.That's only in regards to the Service dress and Blues. They only need to be in good repair for ABU/BDU.
Quote from: Levi Lockling on July 22, 2017, 03:31:52 AMQuote from: SarDragon on July 21, 2017, 03:49:04 AMQuote from: CAPM 39-16.4. Footwear.6.4.1.4. Boots. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the servicedress and service uniforms. They will be highly polished, high gloss or patent leather.That's only in regards to the Service dress and Blues. They only need to be in good repair for ABU/BDU.And good repair means black and shiny.
CAPR 39-16.4.3. Footwear (males/females) Combat boots. Will be worn with the BDU, or the flight dutyuniform. Black, with or without safety toe, plain rounded toe or rounded capped toe with or withoutperforated seam. Zipper or elastic inserts optional, mesh inserts (for “jungle boot” style) are optional;smooth or scotch-grained leather or man-made material, and may have a high gloss or patent finish. Theblack combat boot can be worn (optional) with the service dress and service uniforms when not wearing askirt, maternity service dress and/or maternity jumper. Laces will either be tied and tucked in the boot ortied and wrapped around the boot. No bowtie bootlaces will be visible. Any logos will be the same coloras the boot. ABU Wear Memorandum updated effective 24 October 2016:"Footwear. Black combat boots."
What about black boots that aren't meant to be shined?I've got my eye on a couple (one Danner and one Lowa) that are non-polishable. If I have to wear boots that look stupid with ABUs, I might as well get the low-maintenance aspect of sage boots.
Quote from: Adam B on July 21, 2017, 01:41:18 PMI'll just add here, that if your commander issues a directive (provided that it is legal, ethical, and safe), you should probably follow it. Saying "XoCAPDuDeXo on the internet said I don't have to," is not going to win you any points with your higher-ups.That is true but in this case it would be an unlawful order since a commander can't go against regulations.
Sage is never going to happen.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 24, 2017, 02:09:03 PMSage is never going to happen.Care for a little side bet on that?
From what I understand, it was just asked for and denied, so sure.
Quote from: jeders on August 03, 2017, 02:54:01 PMFrom what I understand, it was just asked for and denied, so sure.I hadn't heard that... I suspect that eventually black boots might go away, especially as we approach the loss of BDUs, since the only real reason to keep them at that point is commonality with BBDU.Remember, white t-shirts with BDUs was the order of the day when we first transitioned, and cooler heads eventually prevailed.Honestly, I don't get the angst and the beef with black boots. *whaevs*
As far as the idea that boot shining is some type of character or team builder, I don't buy it. Never have, never will.
Quote from: Toad1168 on August 03, 2017, 03:54:42 PMAs far as the idea that boot shining is some type of character or team builder, I don't buy it. Never have, never will.Agreed. I also find it amusing when people that swear up and down that shining footwear is some kind of massive character builder for cadets wears corfams or something non-shined. Just another thing in CAP that's supposedly great for cadets, but somehow doesn't apply to seniors.
Have you ever been to an encampment and watched a group of cadets sitting around together shining boots? That is certainly a team building exercise waste of valuable time.
Have you ever been to an encampment and watched a group of cadets sitting around together shining boots? That is certainly a team building exercise.
Quote from: NIN on August 03, 2017, 03:47:45 PMQuote from: jeders on August 03, 2017, 02:54:01 PMFrom what I understand, it was just asked for and denied, so sure.I hadn't heard that... I suspect that eventually black boots might go away, especially as we approach the loss of BDUs, since the only real reason to keep them at that point is commonality with BBDU.Remember, white t-shirts with BDUs was the order of the day when we first transitioned, and cooler heads eventually prevailed.Honestly, I don't get the angst and the beef with black boots. *whaevs*Biggest two issues with "not black"...They can be ruined easily in normal use, especially by cadets.They will never be available at Walmart.I could destroy sage boots with a Venti Mocha or a chocolate milk, while the same thing happening on black Walmart boots would be barely visible.Edit: fixed quotes
Quote from: Eclipse on August 03, 2017, 04:16:56 PMQuote from: NIN on August 03, 2017, 03:47:45 PMQuote from: jeders on August 03, 2017, 02:54:01 PMFrom what I understand, it was just asked for and denied, so sure.I hadn't heard that... I suspect that eventually black boots might go away, especially as we approach the loss of BDUs, since the only real reason to keep them at that point is commonality with BBDU.Remember, white t-shirts with BDUs was the order of the day when we first transitioned, and cooler heads eventually prevailed.Honestly, I don't get the angst and the beef with black boots. *whaevs*Biggest two issues with "not black"...They can be ruined easily in normal use, especially by cadets.They will never be available at Walmart.I could destroy sage boots with a Venti Mocha or a chocolate milk, while the same thing happening on black Walmart boots would be barely visible.Edit: fixed quotesI will just leave this right here... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Interceptor-Men-s-Frontier-Military-Boot/54791683?variantFieldId=actual_color Not to mention free 2 day shipping to your home, or any Walmart store in the county!
I will just leave this right here... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Interceptor-Men-s-Frontier-Military-Boot/54791683?variantFieldId=actual_color Not to mention free 2 day shipping to your home, or any Walmart store in the county!
Pure garbage. I'll leave it right there.
Quote from: SCE124 on August 03, 2017, 11:14:53 PMI will just leave this right here... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Interceptor-Men-s-Frontier-Military-Boot/54791683?variantFieldId=actual_color Not to mention free 2 day shipping to your home, or any Walmart store in the county!Well alrighty then, that negates the argument about availability, but I could still wreck them with a mocha.Quote from: A.Member on August 04, 2017, 01:42:40 AMPure garbage. I'll leave it right there.Not for CAP members. At the wear rate of 4-8 some hours a month on average, those will last a decade.On top of that the average cadet will grow out of them before they are broken in.Anyone spending more then $50 for boots in a CAP context, especially if they don't do something like NESA, is wasting their money.
2. They make it easier to tell that we're CAP and not the Air Force.
Quote from: PHall on August 04, 2017, 02:59:56 AM2. They make it easier to tell that we're CAP and not the Air Force.I believe anyone from the military who needs to make the distinction between us and our "actual" components would be able to simply from looking at us (hence blue tapes, badges, rank, etc) would be able to without even looking at our boots, but that's just my opinion.
The Air Force did not require CAP to wear black boots with the ABUs. This was a decision made by the CAP Uniform Board and National leadership based on perceived cost and practicality. This could change in the future, but probably not for a long time, if it does at all.
Quote from: kwe1009 on August 03, 2017, 05:54:27 PMHave you ever been to an encampment and watched a group of cadets sitting around together shining boots? That is certainly a team building exercise waste of valuable time.Fixed that for you...
Quote from: Storm Chaser on August 06, 2017, 12:48:46 AMThe Air Force did not require CAP to wear black boots with the ABUs. This was a decision made by the CAP Uniform Board and National leadership based on perceived cost and practicality. This could change in the future, but probably not for a long time, if it does at all.This. It was even published by NHQ that the reason for the black boots being kept on with the BDU-to-ABU transition was because of the practicality for members to be able to decrease their equipment costs in not having to purchase a new pair of boots. It also prevented a mismatch of sage/black leather boots worn with the ABU if it was to be an optional choice.
If sage is ever authorized for our ABUs, they need to be for the sage flight suit as well - otherwise, members wearing Air Force-style field and flight uniforms would need two sets of boots.
Quote from: Paul Creed III on August 10, 2017, 12:08:18 PMIf sage is ever authorized for our ABUs, they need to be for the sage flight suit as well - otherwise, members wearing Air Force-style field and flight uniforms would need two sets of boots.Actually the sage green flight suit is not authorized for CAP. However the Olive Drab flight suit is.
Quote from: Sapper168 on August 11, 2017, 09:34:37 PMQuote from: Paul Creed III on August 10, 2017, 12:08:18 PMIf sage is ever authorized for our ABUs, they need to be for the sage flight suit as well - otherwise, members wearing Air Force-style field and flight uniforms would need two sets of boots.Actually the sage green flight suit is not authorized for CAP. However the Olive Drab flight suit is.While 39-1 most certainly calls the USAF FDU "olive drab" (many times over), the "official" FDU and flight jacket on Vanguard is "sage green" and finding a Nomex "olive drab" FDU via a quick Google yielded no results.
Quote from: Paul Creed III on August 11, 2017, 09:55:13 PMQuote from: Sapper168 on August 11, 2017, 09:34:37 PMQuote from: Paul Creed III on August 10, 2017, 12:08:18 PMIf sage is ever authorized for our ABUs, they need to be for the sage flight suit as well - otherwise, members wearing Air Force-style field and flight uniforms would need two sets of boots.Actually the sage green flight suit is not authorized for CAP. However the Olive Drab flight suit is.While 39-1 most certainly calls the USAF FDU "olive drab" (many times over), the "official" FDU and flight jacket on Vanguard is "sage green" and finding a Nomex "olive drab" FDU via a quick Google yielded no results.Less than 5 seconds to click to using yahoo search. http://www.mcguirearmynavy.com/Flyers-CWU-64P-Coveralls-Fire-Retardant-Nomex-Flightsuit-OD-Green-Sizes.html
Does anyone really have actual "sage green" flight suits anymore? I thought that color went away in the 70's or 80's. It was distinctly different from OD. More like a grey/green.
Two reasons we still wear black boots with the ABU.1. They're widely available for reasonable prices. 2. They make it easier to tell that we're CAP and not the Air Force.
I realize most squadrons do not have an AFB nearby, but with online exchange access available to all* veterans in November, that should make uniform components available to nearly all squadrons.
QuoteI realize most squadrons do not have an AFB nearby, but with online exchange access available to all* veterans in November, that should make uniform components available to nearly all squadrons.Unfortunately veterans are not allowed to buy uniforms under the new Exchange program.
Quote from: Vegas1972 on August 14, 2017, 10:47:57 PMQuoteI realize most squadrons do not have an AFB nearby, but with online exchange access available to all* veterans in November, that should make uniform components available to nearly all squadrons.Unfortunately veterans are not allowed to buy uniforms under the new Exchange program.I'll be darned. You are correct. I didn't realize this was excluded. Commo