I’m wondering, with the new promotion regulation for senior members, if CAP has too many volunteers and they are trying to have a back door RIF and anti-recruitment campaign. For many people, attaining the higher grades by attending schools and conferences may be quite a financial and time constraint. As a teacher, I can’t take off a week to attend some of the schools at the times they are offered. Additionally, traveling to these locations is very expensive. There are no alternate choices such as correspondence courses. Sure, I can understand that you should put something into it other than waiting out the calendar, but it shouldn’t be limited to those with the finances and scheduling flexibility. It’s a ridiculous barrier they’ve implemented.
I have seen positions at wing level having the requirement preference of Maj or Lt.Col for rank.
What are the alternatives? Are these correspondence courses?
Quote from: Flymetothemoon on April 01, 2017, 05:38:59 PMI have seen positions at wing level having the requirement preference of Maj or Lt.Col for rank.There are no staff positions at any level which have a grade requirement, other then by reg now National Commanders, etc.Given the lack of the preferred grade, roles are filled by those available.
Unfortunately these are no longer open to everyone.
So, if in the end the grades mean nothing why even have them?
While it is true that grade requirements may not be required, there are some wing, region and national positions (within the CAP Chaplain Corps) that require completion of Levels 4 and 5. And completion of those levels in PD are required (along with Time-in-Grade) for advanced grades.
Quote from: Chappie on April 02, 2017, 09:09:07 PMWhile it is true that grade requirements may not be required, there are some wing, region and national positions (within the CAP Chaplain Corps) that require completion of Levels 4 and 5. And completion of those levels in PD are required (along with Time-in-Grade) for advanced grades.Training and service requirements for Wing, Region, and National Chief of the Chaplains is a preference, not a requirement:CAPR 265-1 Page 11-13http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R265_001_538BD6B239386.pdfWing:"(4) Wing chaplains should have prior experience as a unit chaplain, be active in theCAP Chaplain Corps for at least two consecutive years prior to appointment and achieved LevelIII in the Senior Member Professional Development Program."Region:"(4) To be considered for region chaplain, each candidate should have prior experienceas a wing chaplain or on region chaplain staff, be active in the CAP Chaplain Corps for at leastfive consecutive years prior to appointment and achieved Level IV in the Senior MemberProfessional Development Program."National:"(3) To be considered for chief, each candidate should have prior experience as a regionchaplain or deputy region chaplain, be active in the CAP Chaplain Corps for at least tenconsecutive years prior to appointment and have achieved Level V in the Senior MemberProfessional Development Program."
The "should" is associated with the prior experience as seen by use of the comma rather than a colon or the word "should" prior to word "achieved Level..."
Quote from: Chappie on April 02, 2017, 10:17:13 PMThe "should" is associated with the prior experience as seen by use of the comma rather than a colon or the word "should" prior to word "achieved Level..."I'm sorry, but that's not how any CAP reg is written and not what it says. The word "should" indicates the rest of the paragraph is the preference but still optional, just like every place else it's used in a similar fashion. If it was otherwise it would say "should...and then will" for the rest".The comma is for grammatical purposes to separate items in the list, and there should also be one after the word "appointment" in each paragraph.
Is promotion a requirement/expected? I've met a couple 2d Lts who've been in for many years. Doesn't seem to be impacting their ability to serve.
Quote from: Eclipse on April 01, 2017, 07:40:07 PMQuote from: Flymetothemoon on April 01, 2017, 05:38:59 PMI have seen positions at wing level having the requirement preference of Maj or Lt.Col for rank.There are no staff positions at any level which have a grade requirement, other then by reg now National Commanders, etc.Given the lack of the preferred grade, roles are filled by those available.Strongly concur with Eclipse here (see, Bob, it can happen)!! We "hire" people based on talent, time, and mindset far more than grade. I'm now participating in that staff screening process again and let me assure you we're NOT discussing grade or rank at all! A servant/leader attitude, a mindset to follow the regs, and the ability to work well with others trumps what is on the shoulder marks by a wide margin (for any sensible Wing staff).To the original comment, though, we've got a double edged sword here. NHQ is trying to address the problems of "old-boy-'ism" and of promoting advanced PD training for individuals seeking advanced grade by raising the bar on expectations for professional development. However, most of the really valuable, very active and energetic volunteer staff already are (by their nature) committed to producing results in other areas of their lives (hey, how about that turn of a phrase) and can't now commit to a broad level of further training to achieve Level III/IV/V, which becomes a barrier to advanced grade. Its a juggling act to try to hold the line high enough to improve long term corporate volunteer expertise without screening out effective, qualified but busy people.Would I recommend someone who is a Company grade officer without a BS/BA degree to be a DCP (or some other staff function)? Yep, could be. I might even (hypothetically, in this instance) recommend/select someone who is a LT but is a professional educator over a Lt Col with otherwise limited experience working with adolescents, IF (and only if) that is the right individual for the situation. In that instance, promotion doesn't impose any glass ceiling on job selection.Also, at the end of the day, the promotions, the bits of cloth and metal, the certificates, and the applause of your fellows are the tangible pay we receive as volunteers (that, and seeing victims of disasters preserved and seeing cadets mature into good citizens). If not through promotions, then we need to remember to find other ways to pay our troops, and pay them well.V/rSpam