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Quote from: AirAux on March 16, 2017, 12:57:47 pmWe had a safety meeting at work the other day and the Boss asked me what steps I would take if the shop was on fire. Obviously "[darn] big ones" was not the answer he wanted....
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on March 19, 2017, 08:33:05 pmQuote from: AirAux on March 16, 2017, 12:57:47 pmWe had a safety meeting at work the other day and the Boss asked me what steps I would take if the shop was on fire. Obviously "[darn] big ones" was not the answer he wanted.... Our Director of Safety always brings up a great philosophy: You put 5 people into a meeting, and there are 7 different opinions. Everyone walks in with either an opinion or no opinion. As the discussion progresses, some people change their opinion; some people become more confused, probably angry.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on March 19, 2017, 10:06:04 pmWho brings the extra two opinions?
Quote from: SarDragon on March 19, 2017, 11:54:31 pmUsually, the pedants.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 29, 2017, 08:41:25 pmhttp://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-japan-trainsAn interesting article about the Safety culture in Japan on their rail system. "Known in Japanese as shisa kanko, pointing-and-calling works on the principle of associating one's tasks with physical movements and vocalizations to prevent errors by "raising the consciousness levels of workers"--according to the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, Japan. Rather than rely on a worker's eyes or habit alone, each step in a given task is reinforced physically and audibly to ensure the step is both complete and accurate."This requires at least some modicum of positive attention to complete, moving the act from "habit" to " action".
Quote from: NIN on April 02, 2017, 07:02:55 pmWatch the JMs on an airborne operation. Everything they do when the door is open is essentially "pointing and calling."In my other job, we use visual cues backing up an audible cadence/checklist. Put your finger on, or point to everything, as you are doing it when you call it out. I'll be standing in the boarding area with my student and I'll verbalize the inspection sequence as I put my hand on everything in the sequence. Is in a specific order (head to toe, front then back) and if I am interrupted/distracted, my hand is the last place I verbalized so I can resume without missing anything. Even after that is the mnemonic "SHAGG-R" (shoes, helmet, altimeter, goggles, gloves, radio). Go all the way thru gear inspection twice on the ground, once in the plane. Again, I touch and verbalize it all, partly for me, partly for my student to learn it. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
Quote from: Anthony@CAP on April 02, 2017, 07:52:08 pmThe real question is how would we go about doing that as Civil Air Patrol, and which of our operations would be best suited for it?
Quote from: SarDragon on April 03, 2017, 12:40:58 amWhen I was in the Navy, I learned to do pre-flights that way - read it out loud from the checklist, then point to it on the plane and do the item.
Quote from: PHall on April 03, 2017, 01:55:34 amQuote from: SarDragon on April 03, 2017, 12:40:58 amWhen I was in the Navy, I learned to do pre-flights that way - read it out loud from the checklist, then point to it on the plane and do the item.The only time I had to point out stuff during a pre-flight was when I was getting a check ride from a lazy evaluator.The good ones could tell what you were doing by just watching what you were doing.Of course on stuff like the exterior and interior checks you talked your way through it by saying what you were looking for.
Quote from: PHall on April 02, 2017, 07:48:56 pmThe procedures used by the JM's when the door is open were developed because of the high noise levels inside the aircraft.And parachute procedures are pretty much doing it by Rote memorization. Pretty good idea when you're in a very noisy, high stress environment and mistakes can be deadly. So Rote memorization and lots and lots of reps to make it second nature.
Quote from: NIN on April 03, 2017, 06:11:57 pm...But when the load toad turns the doors over to the JMs, there's a whole series of things the JM does to ensure that the aircraft is properly configured for safe exits: they literally point at the pip pin in the door to confirm its there and installed. After confirming the jump step is down, they check the entirety of the door perimeter for sharp edges or protrusions by pointing and following their hand around. It is definitely a "point-and-call" kind of thing. They're not doing it for communications, they're doing it to ensure that everything along the linear area (i.e the door frame) is looked at and nothing is missed.
Quote from: Live2Learn on April 03, 2017, 08:15:36 pmHaving a second person [...] is helpful too - at least it is usually helpful .
Quote from: NIN on April 03, 2017, 08:36:37 pmQuote from: Live2Learn on April 03, 2017, 08:15:36 pmHaving a second person [...] is helpful too - at least it is usually helpful .Sometimes the 2nd person isn't helpful at all
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