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NineteenTen
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« on: January 06, 2017, 11:30:46 PM »

I'm looking to move over my 24 hour pack to a pistol belt with suspenders kit. Does anyone have any recommendations on what i should get?
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 11:45:45 PM »

What....like this?

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 11:52:43 PM »

What....like this?



Thanks, Yeah kinda like that one but with less grenades ;)
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 12:11:04 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 12:31:46 AM »

You are not likely to be able to fit a full 24 on an h or y suspender rig, you may get close, but
the meals will be an issue - no matter how you slice it you wind up with an over stuffed butt pack
or adding a second pack.

If you're moving to that direction, I'd suggest an E-LBV, they are readily available on eBay inexpensively.
You want the one(s) with the slant pockets (that's part of the "E").


(example photo, not necessarily a recommendation).

These give you attachment points for potentially two packs, however with that said, there are better rigs these days for
the 24 hours pack with plenty of references on this forum.

Sans the butt packs, E-LBVs are good for getting in and out of vehicles which is a lof of what CAP ops generally are.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 02:56:56 AM »

Not recommended at all, but that's your choice.

The LBEs are our units "old" configuration (none of us still wear them, although many of us have them moldering in the basement). Our test experience showed that you spend more to buy the LBEs, and carry more weight, and have less flexibility to get your gear out, than if you purchase a commonly available "Level III" assault pack for forty bucks.

However, if you must, swim your stream your own way:  you can fit the required kit in, if you tie the poncho and vest (when not worn) under the butt pack, and rig sufficient ammo pouches. If it helps, we still post our ten year old config drawing - which we need to update in several ways: http://www.ga045.org/documents/CAP_Std_Gear_List.pdf

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 01:10:34 PM »

Thanks for the advice everyone. :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 01:15:23 PM »

Also I'm looking into the pistol belt rig because it looks like it would be easier to use with a 72hr pack for say NESA or HMRS

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2017, 07:18:37 PM »

Like Eclipse said, it's not likely you'll fit everything on an ALICE pistol belt setup, so you'll need an additional pack. For that purpose, I use a medium ALICE pack, which works well because I can also carry the components of my 72-hour kit depending on the mission's needs. The ALICE system is also nice because it is tried and true, and built to last, whereas you risk the reliability elsewhere, depending on the brand.
On the belt/suspenders I'm able to carry:

2 ammo pouches (the ones with the grenade straps on the sides)
2 compass/bandage pouches (one on the suspenders)
2 one quart canteens
1 ALICE IFAK

One of the canteens can be swapped for an E-tool

As you can see, not enough space for the full 24-hour gear list. However, I don't have much circumference in my waist, and some folks have a little more room on their pistol belt for more things.

I'm upgrading to a more modern MOLLE setup with an Army FLC in ACU camo as soon as I get issued my ABU, because one with the other would look a little goofy.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 02:28:55 AM »

So if a pistol belt isn't ideal than what would be the best 24/72 hour kit?
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 03:06:00 AM »

So if a pistol belt isn't ideal than what would be the best 24/72 hour kit?

Plenty of people use suspenders and a pistol belt for 24s just fine when they add the butt pack. The 24-hour list really isn't THAT much stuff. As Eclipse says, meals are an issue but you don't have to carry a full size MRE. I like several of the microwave meal pouches that you find in the canned pasta aisle at Wal Mart. They're small, cheap, and you don't actually have to microwave them. They only pack 3-400 calories though so I'd still throw in a couple Clif bars. You can also strip an MRE to save a lot of space.

I tell people a lot to use whatever they already have to start. Almost every cadet (and I can't see your sig so if it says what you are in there I can't see) has an extra backpack in the closet. As long as it is conservative in color (no Hello Kitty) I encourage them to use that starting out.

I like 5.11's Rush 24, though I don't use it for my 24s any more. I've seen several people that like the "assault 3" Spam mentioned. There's also a Canadian company that makes orange MOLLE but if you were thinking surplus I'm guessing it's over your budget (which is fine - no reason to drop $300 on an equipment carrier alone just starting out).

Gear is pretty personal. Use what works for you, but start cheap and work your way into being a geardo as your interest and budget allows later.

The only items I do not recommend cheating out on are boots and compasses. In those cases, buy the best your budget allows for (IMHO).
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 11:31:54 AM »

So if a pistol belt isn't ideal than what would be the best 24/72 hour kit?

Plenty of people use suspenders and a pistol belt for 24s just fine when they add the butt pack. The 24-hour list really isn't THAT much stuff. As Eclipse says, meals are an issue but you don't have to carry a full size MRE. I like several of the microwave meal pouches that you find in the canned pasta aisle at Wal Mart. They're small, cheap, and you don't actually have to microwave them. They only pack 3-400 calories though so I'd still throw in a couple Clif bars. You can also strip an MRE to save a lot of space.

I tell people a lot to use whatever they already have to start. Almost every cadet (and I can't see your sig so if it says what you are in there I can't see) has an extra backpack in the closet. As long as it is conservative in color (no Hello Kitty) I encourage them to use that starting out.

I like 5.11's Rush 24, though I don't use it for my 24s any more. I've seen several people that like the "assault 3" Spam mentioned. There's also a Canadian company that makes orange MOLLE but if you were thinking surplus I'm guessing it's over your budget (which is fine - no reason to drop $300 on an equipment carrier alone just starting out).

Gear is pretty personal. Use what works for you, but start cheap and work your way into being a geardo as your interest and budget allows later.

The only items I do not recommend cheating out on are boots and compasses. In those cases, buy the best your budget allows for (IMHO).

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 12:52:10 PM »

So if a pistol belt isn't ideal than what would be the best 24/72 hour kit?

After comparative ruck testing in the field, and given economic factors for most entry level members, we've long since standardized on packs like this, known generally as "Level III assault packs", currently for all of $29.97 plus shipping etc.:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-level-iii-assault-pack-olive-drab-heavy-duty-600-denier-polyester-construction-4046872175138.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search


or this if you must bring the kitchen sink, for a whopping 35 bucks:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-level-i-large-assault-pack-od-green-1402201-4046872260513.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search



Spaceman is absolutely on target about not cheaping out on nav gear and boots. Your "Leather Personnel Carriers" (boots) will be your biggest mission enabler (or the things you curse more than your most bitter enemy). Save on the pack, spend on the boots.


Some SAR schools recommend/specify using international/blaze orange, for perfectly good reasons (we're not combat rescue, and orange is far more visible to our aircrew partners, I can tell you as an MO as well as GTL/GBD). Go with what works for your terrain, necessary ancillary gear, and local mission profile, and your team's configuration. We're here for advice, but in the end its up to you and your team and Wing.


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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 12:58:53 PM »

BTW, the other comment on field stripping meals is also on target. Knowledgable active duty guys apparently routinely field strip their MREs to discard the high volume, low utility packets. We've had former cadets (who are infantry, Marine, or SF) return to comment about this, and we push it with our GTMs.


The below link is to a useful article on how to "ration strip" your MREs (and, eventually, civilian rations) to maximize your portability and minimize your space/weight:  http://www.combatreform.org/declutter.htm


WARNING: you'll spend hours reading their stuff...  it will lead you far into pondering the vagaries of international military cuisine...  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 02:40:45 PM »

BTW, the other comment on field stripping meals is also on target. Knowledgable active duty guys apparently routinely field strip their MREs to discard the high volume, low utility packets. We've had former cadets (who are infantry, Marine, or SF) return to comment about this, and we push it with our GTMs.


The below link is to a useful article on how to "ration strip" your MREs (and, eventually, civilian rations) to maximize your portability and minimize your space/weight:  http://www.combatreform.org/declutter.htm


WARNING: you'll spend hours reading their stuff...  it will lead you far into pondering the vagaries of international military cuisine...  ;)

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I never really got why GTMs pack MREs other than the somewhat tacti-cool aspect of it. For my meals i just bring a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 02:51:54 PM »

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For my meals i just bring a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix.


Will you eat "a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix" for dinner at home? No, it does not give the same nutrition.

An MRE gives more nutrition than "a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix."

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 02:53:48 PM »

BTW, the other comment on field stripping meals is also on target. Knowledgable active duty guys apparently routinely field strip their MREs to discard the high volume, low utility packets. We've had former cadets (who are infantry, Marine, or SF) return to comment about this, and we push it with our GTMs.


The below link is to a useful article on how to "ration strip" your MREs (and, eventually, civilian rations) to maximize your portability and minimize your space/weight:  http://www.combatreform.org/declutter.htm


WARNING: you'll spend hours reading their stuff...  it will lead you far into pondering the vagaries of international military cuisine...  ;)

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I never really got why GTMs pack MREs other than the somewhat tacti-cool aspect of it. For my meals i just bring a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix.
Task guide says "meals", MREs are meals. They don't go bad and cook themselves. The tacticool aspect definitely an influence in a lot of cases, but MREs fill the job the task guide says.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2017, 03:11:02 PM »

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For my meals i just bring a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix.


Will you eat "a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix" for dinner at home? No, it does not give the same nutrition.

An MRE gives more nutrition than "a bunch of cliff bars and trail mix."


Luis, I hear what you say, but we're not talking "nutrition" here, we're just talking sustainment for physical tasks for a couple of days (optimal), supplemented by better food if it turns into weeks (DR scenario). Whenever I've worked sandbags, searches and evacuations for weeks in DR missions, we've ended up with hot meals provided - different scenario.


On MREs - they are shelf stable (ish). Thats about the biggest plus (MREs have contributed to more impacted cadet colons than I can count). So, I don't eat MREs myself any more. Dinty, L'Chef B.R.D. and energy bars, and really... his observations are valid, for him, I would say.


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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 03:15:34 PM »

I would still recommend something resembling an actual meal at least during training, so you don't have to argue the finer points of it with a SET.

NineteenTen, any chance we'll be seeing you at NESA this year?
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2017, 03:16:46 PM »

As mentioned above, also.

1 - At the rate of calorie burn in the field, you're going to wind up being hungry.

2 - "This checked my SQTR box, but I don't like what I brought for lunch so let's grind the mission to a halt and hit Wendy's."
(Excellent way to expose the veins on a GBD's forehead.)

CAP does not exist in a field-strip / combat expedient / austere environment. If your MRE doesn't fit, or you don't like Tabasco sauce, so be it,
but there's no expectation that you drill down to a multi-tool, a tarp, and 2 crackers.

In most cases you'll go out, come back for lunch, and go out again (actually you'll sit in the ICP until 10, drive around until noon, get RTB'ed and
then find an ELT at the airport the ICP is in..).
Right now I use Mountain house meals and supplement with instant stuff from the Piggly Wiggly, and I always
carry a Jetboil for coffee, etc., though in most cases everything but the compass, HT, and DF gear stays in the car.

If you attend a school like NESA or HMRS, they are going to have very specific ideas about gear and most "normal" CAP loadouts are going to be considered excessive
anyway, so at that time ask them and make adjustments.

Back to the above question, a SARMed vest is a much better selection then an LBV for CAP, but a school backpack works as well.
If you decide to use the mag pouches, you may want to consider cutting off the grenade straps as they are all but useless for CAP gear.

After more the 17 years in CAP, I realized this year why the venerable task guide distinguished between "on your person" and "daypack".
The "on your person" stuff can save your life, the "daypack" stuff makes it more comfortable - trying to cram everything in a harness
or vest means you can't easily separate "need" from "nice".  I grabbed an extra tacticool backpack from my closet, the "nice" stuff
goes in there (like the Jetboil), and doesn't get dragged around very much, other then to a picnic table for lunch.

I can't tell you how many times I've come across a GT separated from their plate carrier rig because they were in the head, eating,
napping, whatever, to remind them that if they got separated from their kevlar, their were up the brown creek.

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2017, 03:31:16 PM »



If you decide to use the mag pouches, you may want to consider cutting off the grenade straps as they are all but useless for CAP gear.


"Desperation breeds innovation"

I diacovered that the grenade straps are PERFECT for McDonald's breakfast burritos.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 03:35:24 PM »



If you decide to use the mag pouches, you may want to consider cutting off the grenade straps as they are all but useless for CAP gear.


"Desperation breeds innovation"

I diacovered that the grenade straps are PERFECT for McDonald's breakfast burritos.

Point taken.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2017, 03:43:13 PM »

I would still recommend something resembling an actual meal at least during training, so you don't have to argue the finer points of it with a SET.

NineteenTen, any chance we'll be seeing you at NESA this year?

I'll actually be going to HMRS this year because it's much closer to me and many cadets from my squadron are graduates of there.

If i score well on my wing's NCSA review board I'll most likely be at NBB this year.
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2017, 03:46:31 PM »

You will likely not be away from base camp for more than a few hours at a time so the need to carry tons of stuff is pretty low.  You really want to minimize what you carry on a field sortie as that weight adds up as the time passes when you are out in the woods, hills, etc.  I use an ALICE setup similar to the OP photo and it works well and is better at weight distribution than a back pack.

Packing gear for ES reminds me of the first few times I deployed to the Middle East.  The first time I had a ton of gear and each time I deployed after that I had less and less gear and also found ways to get multiple uses out of the items that I did carry.  The first time I participated in a SAREX and real mission I had a ton of stuff and that list has gotten smaller over the years.  I still have all of the recommended items (even the fishing kit) but most stays at base camp.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2017, 03:52:28 PM »

Packing gear for ES reminds me of the first few times I deployed to the Middle East.  The first time I had a ton of gear and each time I deployed after that I had less and less gear and also found ways to get multiple uses out of the items that I did carry.  The first time I participated in a SAREX and real mission I had a ton of stuff and that list has gotten smaller over the years.  I still have all of the recommended items (even the fishing kit) but most stays at base camp.

Read and heed this, which is why you don't want to spend a lot of money from day 1.
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2017, 04:13:42 PM »

When I started packing my 24-hr pack, I started using the pistol belt / suspenders / ammo pouches with small pack. After awhile did not like it as I could not get all the stuff in the 24-hr pack list plus the GTL stuff.

Then I changed to an ALICE medium. After awhile I also found things to dislike it. Whenever I needed something it was like looking for something in a bottomless pit. Also the shoulder straps. As I walked, the shoulder straps kept moving down the shoulders. I did not have a chest strap which would have prevented the downward creep. I would start walking, every 15 minutes the shoulder straps would be like 1 / 3 down my arms and off the shoulders.

Now I use a pack similar to the Level III pack. I find everything when I need it, the straps stay in place, and I have a little space extra for my GTL stuff as well. However not satisfied with the need to carry personal medication so I add a "paratrooper's first aid kit" on the outside. Very happy with this choice.

Never tried an assault vest, but had I not found the Level III I would have tried it. I think these vests would have been better than the pistol belt / suspenders combination or the ALICE med pack.

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2017, 09:17:21 PM »


Packing gear for ES reminds me of the first few times I deployed to the Middle East.  The first time I had a ton of gear and each time I deployed after that I had less and less gear and also found ways to get multiple uses out of the items that I did carry.  The first time I participated in a SAREX and real mission I had a ton of stuff and that list has gotten smaller over the years.  I still have all of the recommended items (even the fishing kit) but most stays at base camp.

My first float I had two seabags, an ALICE large, a parachute bag and a garment bag. (Luckily we had a Conex box I could load all that on). By the third cruise I had a seabag, the MOLLE pack (the first ones we got) and an old ALICE medium.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2017, 03:26:19 PM »

After comparative ruck testing in the field, and given economic factors for most entry level members, we've long since standardized on packs like this, known generally as "Level III assault packs", currently for all of $29.97 plus shipping etc.:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-level-iii-assault-pack-olive-drab-heavy-duty-600-denier-polyester-construction-4046872175138.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search

Does this ruck have two or three columns of PALS webbing down the side of the main compartment? I want to know if I can attach a MOLLE canteen pouch there or not.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2017, 08:17:24 PM »

After comparative ruck testing in the field, and given economic factors for most entry level members, we've long since standardized on packs like this, known generally as "Level III assault packs", currently for all of $29.97 plus shipping etc.:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-level-iii-assault-pack-olive-drab-heavy-duty-600-denier-polyester-construction-4046872175138.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search

Does this ruck have two or three columns of PALS webbing down the side of the main compartment? I want to know if I can attach a MOLLE canteen pouch there or not.

William,  you really don't want that pack.  Talk to Wing.  They should still have a bunch of the USMC assault packs that are far more comfortable and far more versatile than this thing.  And yes, you can attach MOLLE pouches to the assault packs that Wing has.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2017, 10:05:20 PM »

After comparative ruck testing in the field, and given economic factors for most entry level members, we've long since standardized on packs like this, known generally as "Level III assault packs", currently for all of $29.97 plus shipping etc.:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-level-iii-assault-pack-olive-drab-heavy-duty-600-denier-polyester-construction-4046872175138.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search

Does this ruck have two or three columns of PALS webbing down the side of the main compartment? I want to know if I can attach a MOLLE canteen pouch there or not.

William,  you really don't want that pack.  Talk to Wing.  They should still have a bunch of the USMC assault packs that are far more comfortable and far more versatile than this thing.  And yes, you can attach MOLLE pouches to the assault packs that Wing has.

Free has a quality all its own!!!

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2017, 11:39:23 PM »

Free has a quality all its own!!!

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Indeed, and that is a quality that I'd rather leave for cadets and other financially challenged members. Besides,I'm looking for something that will be used for more than CAP, and MARPAT doesn't go well with my civilian attire.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2017, 10:04:04 AM »

Regarding MRE striping, I do that after a few weeks of buying a new one.

I open it, eat all the candy and/or deserts whether I am on a mission or not, and put the main entry in the pack!

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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2017, 01:49:01 PM »

Do you do pin stripes, or the big wide ones?  ;) ;)
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2017, 05:13:19 PM »


A basic pistol belt, canteen cover holding canteen (and canteen cup), IFAK pouch is the basic-basic need.

Next step up would be to invest in a military Camalbak with storage pouch features.

Then look at packs. 

Start with your basic needs and move up the ladder accordingly.  Save your $$$.

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2017, 05:49:37 PM »


A basic pistol belt, canteen cover holding canteen (and canteen cup), IFAK pouch is the basic-basic need.

Next step up would be to invest in a military Camalbak with storage pouch features.

Then look at packs. 

Start with your basic needs and move up the ladder accordingly.  Save your $$$.


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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2017, 06:32:41 PM »

Could you add some further, detailed discussion?

I'm not going to post the entire task requirement, but here's the Reader's Digest version, highlithts mine:

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Collect and efficiently pack all items required of a ground team member. The enclosed list is the suggested
national list.
Wings may have supplemented this list to suit their environment with national approval, so be sure
to use your approved wing list.

a. Equipment is divided into two parts -- the 24-hour pack for short activities (typical field gear) and the
72 hour pack for longer duration activities (typically called base gear). This gear list was derived from the gear
lists suggested by several CAP wings and other organizations including the National Association for Search and
Rescue (NASAR), and modified to meet CAP needs.
1) The 24 hour pack is what you carry while searching. As its name infers, in case of an
emergency, this equipment will help you survive in the wilderness for 24 hours. In addition, your 24 hour pack
is part of your uniform -- when the public sees you on a mission, they will probably see you wearing your field
gear. Because of this, your 24 hour pack must present a professional uniform appearance. Though packs do not
need to be identical, it is advantageous for unit members to have similar 24-hour packs.
Every ground team
member will have this equipment.
2) The extended duration pack is designed to help you live in the field for more than one day,
typically 48 to 72 hours. It includes your sleeping bag, tent, and other long term comfort items. The extended
duration is not subject to uniformity -- color and size does not matter. The major constraint is how much you
can carry.
Even if the mission is only expected to last one day, you should always bring your base gear. You
never know how long a mission will last, or whether you will go straight to another mission from the current
one.

How does this conflict with what's been posted above?
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2017, 12:29:36 PM »

Theirs really two ways to go about this, One you can use the Pistol belt and suspenders combined with a small backpack or you can use the E-LBV and attach the a pistol belt to it. If your going to do the first way only put 2 canteens, 2 m16 mag pouches, and maybe an angle head light that way you don't get bogged down while switching between Backpack and LBE. The E-LBV you can just throw a butt pack on and some M16 pouches and be fine. Just know that you will be very limited and will have to cut out many items you want but are not required. Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2017, 11:05:41 AM »

I use a MOLLE vest with plenty of extra room to add more pouches if need be. Water bottle carriers are nice because they take less room(thinner than a canteen) and can carry a can of soup in each in addition to water. I have everything I need from the 24HR list and a couple of extra things I wanted to add. Weight is nicely distributed too. And if need be, I can carry about 50,000 pens on it too.
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