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Майор Хаткевич
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« on: June 09, 2016, 07:28:39 PM »

I've finally got off my ass and completed level 3. Just received notification of wing approval.


Onwards to level 4 via SOS!
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 07:49:39 PM »

Congrats.  On to bigger and better things.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 08:17:13 PM »

I've finally got off my ass and completed level 3. Just received notification of wing approval.


Onwards to level 4 via SOS!

Congrats! Keep up the great work that you do.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2016, 08:53:28 PM »

I've finally got off my ass and completed level 3. Just received notification of wing approval.


Onwards to level 4 via SOS!

Congratulations!!!  :clap:
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2016, 08:53:33 PM »

Will you be able to get Major under the grandfather clause?
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2016, 08:55:35 PM »

Are you eligible for Major under the Grandfathering clause?
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2016, 09:16:10 PM »

Yes, I'm able to use my one grandfather promotion for Major, as my Captain bars were awarded Dec 2012. At this point I'm 6 months over TIG, CLC/Lvl3 being the last thing I needed. Will be submitting my promotion packet to the unit commander by the end of the week.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2016, 09:02:45 PM »

Congrats and good luck!

Out of curiosity, since I am in a different Wing...  How are you being presented with the Level 3 certificate?

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2016, 09:13:36 PM »

Congrats and good luck!

Out of curiosity, since I am in a different Wing...  How are you being presented with the Level 3 certificate?


No idea. Still waiting on my LV2 Cert.  >:D
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2016, 09:16:29 PM »

 ;D ;D

Oh!

In my wing, Level 2 certificates are awarded at the Squadron annual banquets. Normally, the Wing Commander likes to come to those to award the certificates personally (he also insists on attending every SLS in the Wing - and it's a LARGE WING!!!).

For Level 3, I've been told he does the same, and sometimes even insists that it be awarded at the annual Wing Conference ... not separately.

So, I was curious how Illinois does it.

Regarding your Level 2, does it show up in e-services?


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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM »


Regarding your Level 2, does it show up in e-services?


Since 13DEC12.

Can't get LVL3 without 2 being there.




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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2016, 09:37:15 PM »

In my wing, Level 2 certificates are awarded at the Squadron annual banquets.

The what now?

Since they are no longer provided by NHQ, those so inclined generally print them out.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2016, 10:36:52 PM »

Really?

I'm a Wing DA, and I have to get the Benjamin O Davis Award from NHQ.  at least as recently as April of this year.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2016, 08:02:43 PM »

At our Wing the Wing guy is the only one who can print those off. I'm the PDO at the Group level and I only get to print out Level 1 certificates...
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 12:41:57 AM »

Really?

I'm a Wing DA, and I have to get the Benjamin O Davis Award from NHQ.  at least as recently as April of this year.

You received it direct from NHQ?

I don't think I've seen a cert of any kind direct from NHQ in a decade or more for anyone.  It used to be wind wold order
them and print as needed - one of the reason all wings received a wide-format printer some time ago.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2016, 10:13:06 PM »

Really?

I'm a Wing DA, and I have to get the Benjamin O Davis Award from NHQ.  at least as recently as April of this year.

You received it direct from NHQ?

I don't think I've seen a cert of any kind direct from NHQ in a decade or more for anyone.  It used to be wind wold order
them and print as needed - one of the reason all wings received a wide-format printer some time ago.

Yes.  Wings can not print Level 2 certs.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 12:47:13 AM »

Really?

I'm a Wing DA, and I have to get the Benjamin O Davis Award from NHQ.  at least as recently as April of this year.

You received it direct from NHQ?

I don't think I've seen a cert of any kind direct from NHQ in a decade or more for anyone.  It used to be wind wold order
them and print as needed - one of the reason all wings received a wide-format printer some time ago.

Yes.  Wings can not print Level 2 certs.


Can confirm. JUST was handed an NHQ hard mailer with a Lvl2. Hard card stock, gold seal for Yeager, and 8 x 11 size.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 01:50:28 AM »

Yes, I'm able to use my one grandfather promotion for Major, as my Captain bars were awarded Dec 2012. At this point I'm 6 months over TIG, CLC/Lvl3 being the last thing I needed. Will be submitting my promotion packet to the unit commander by the end of the week.
OK, you will then have 5 years to do RSC and NSC!
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 01:58:56 AM »

Congratulations! It feels like only yesterday when I knocked out Level III...but it was actually 23 years ago.  :o :o
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 04:17:58 AM »

Yes, I'm able to use my one grandfather promotion for Major, as my Captain bars were awarded Dec 2012. At this point I'm 6 months over TIG, CLC/Lvl3 being the last thing I needed. Will be submitting my promotion packet to the unit commander by the end of the week.
OK, you will then have 5 years to do RSC and NSC!

Going the SOS route.
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 09:43:00 AM »

You're stuck with us forever now.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2016, 12:59:19 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2016, 02:00:12 PM »


Congratulations for accomplishing Level 3.

I have done all of my classes for Level 3 but missing the conferences which are very hard to attend as being overseas. I promoted to Capt. in 2011 already and accomplished CLC,  2 Senior ratings etc. ..... during the following 3 years but now I am stuck.......

If there is anyone who has an idea how I can get credit for a conference please let me know  (other than flying to the US, pay a ticket, hotel etc.)   Maybe modern technology is a way via webcam conference ??

I really hope to find a solution soon as I want to keep going in my professional development in CAP.

All the best from Europe.

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2016, 02:16:15 PM »

Musings about language...

Why do people say "I promoted to..." when the people that do the action are their supposed superiors?

If you went up in grade, you did not "promote to" because you did not do the action, you only did the requirements! You did not sign the order, action, or whatever!! You did not pin on the grade sysmbol yourself, someone else did it on you!!!

The one that "promoted" in your case was your squadron commander, your group commander, your wing commander, your region commander, and Nat HQ. These headquarters accepted the step up. These headquarters were the ones that "promote." You "were promoted."
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2016, 02:56:25 PM »


Congratulations for accomplishing Level 3.

I have done all of my classes for Level 3 but missing the conferences which are very hard to attend as being overseas. I promoted to Capt. in 2011 already and accomplished CLC,  2 Senior ratings etc. ..... during the following 3 years but now I am stuck.......

If there is anyone who has an idea how I can get credit for a conference please let me know  (other than flying to the US, pay a ticket, hotel etc.)   Maybe modern technology is a way via webcam conference ??

I really hope to find a solution soon as I want to keep going in my professional development in CAP.

All the best from Europe.

Frank


I know NHQ has different rules for overseas members, so perhaps reach out directly (via chain) to them, for clarification on that?
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2016, 09:50:25 PM »

Semi-related question: if you earned the Earhart award and advanced into SM as a 1st Lt, do you have to complete both Lvl 2 and 3 before being eligible for Captain?
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2016, 11:33:59 PM »

Semi-related question: if you earned the Earhart award and advanced into SM as a 1st Lt, do you have to complete both Lvl 2 and 3 before being eligible for Captain?

Yes. Even though you get the promotion automatically, you still have to complete some aspects of the PD program in order to progress. Even level 1.
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2016, 11:47:12 PM »

Semi-related question: if you earned the Earhart award and advanced into SM as a 1st Lt, do you have to complete both Lvl 2 and 3 before being eligible for Captain?

Yes. Even though you get the promotion automatically, you still have to complete some aspects of the PD program in order to progress. Even level 1.
While I appreciate the feedback, I know this is not correct because all former cadet officers are exempt from Level I so long as they transfer over within a certain timeframe (I believe 2 years). That doesn't mean you can't do it just for the sake of learning and exposure.
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2016, 12:33:31 AM »

Semi-related question: if you earned the Earhart award and advanced into SM as a 1st Lt, do you have to complete both Lvl 2 and 3 before being eligible for Captain?

Yes. Even though you get the promotion automatically, you still have to complete some aspects of the PD program in order to progress. Even level 1.
While I appreciate the feedback, I know this is not correct because all former cadet officers are exempt from Level I so long as they transfer over within a certain timeframe (I believe 2 years). That doesn't mean you can't do it just for the sake of learning and exposure.

Former cadink officers with less than a 2-year break in service when going to the dark side are exempt from the Foundations (Level I) course. While I was exempted from Level I and took SLS and CLC in my first run as a senior member (1985-88) I still had to retake them after rejoining from a 17-year break in membership in 2005.
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2016, 03:01:29 AM »

What I meant was even transitioning to SM at level 1, you still have to complete all aspects of 2 and 3.
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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2016, 12:29:09 AM »

Can anyone else offer some insight? I cannot find anything specific on this in the regs. My assumption is you don't need both for Captain because it wouldn't make sense to give former cadets advance grade then make them wait twice as long with double the requirements for the next one.
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2016, 12:47:12 AM »

Can anyone else offer some insight? I cannot find anything specific on this in the regs. My assumption is you don't need both for Captain because it wouldn't make sense to give former cadets advance grade then make them wait twice as long with double the requirements for the next one.

Reference CAPR 50-17, Chapter 9. para 9-1. a.
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Credit  will  be  awarded  to  former  cadets  based  on  specific  accomplishments.  Those members  who  earned  the  Mitchell  Award  and  have  a  less  than  two-year  break  in  service  may receive credit for Level I completion. Members who earned the Earhart Award may receive the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer specialty track. Members who have earned the Eaker Award may be awarded completion of SLS, the CAP Officer Basic Course, and Level II. In addition to Level II completion, members who earned the Spaatz Award may be awarded the senior rating in the Cadet Programs Officer specialty track and the Yeager Award.

Reference CAPR 35-5, Section C, para 3-6.
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3-  6. Former  CAP  Cadets. Upon  reaching  age  21,  former  CAP  cadets  who  reached  certain levels  of  achievement  in  the  CAP  cadet  program  are  eligible  for  appointment  to  the  officer grades  outlined  in  figure 4.    (See  figure  8 for  grades  authorized  former  cadets  under  age  21). NOTE:  These members are exempt from the foundations portion of Level I of the Professional Development  Program  provided  they  have  less  than  a  2-year  membership  break  prior  to assuming active member status.  The CPPT and OPSEC portions must be completed prior to any promotion action.

The promotion does not earn the PD Level, except as indicated in CAPR 50-17. Therefore, a cadet with Earhart still needs to complete levels 2 and 3 before promoting to Capt. With an Eaker, they still need Level 3 before promoting to Capt. A Spaatz gets capt, but must complete levels 3 and 4 before making Major.
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2016, 02:50:00 AM »

See above.

Yeah, actually, it does make sense.

Especially now, with the new promotion requirements. You may get the grade, but you are expected to have a certain level of training/knowledge each promotion, so you need to prove it just like everyone else once you want a "normal" promotion.

Speaking as a former cadet who has been going through exactly this for the last month.

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2016, 06:24:57 AM »

See above.

Yeah, actually, it does make sense.

I don't see how. If you demonstrated the necessary proficiency to earn advanced grade after being a cadet it seems counter-productive. I could see a slightly modified system for us but I understand why it is this way.
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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2016, 01:10:07 PM »

See above.

Yeah, actually, it does make sense.

I don't see how. If you demonstrated the necessary proficiency to earn advanced grade after being a cadet it seems counter-productive. I could see a slightly modified system for us but I understand why it is this way.
The CAPR 50-17 was written before the changes to CAPR 35-5, when level 2 was not required for 1st Lt. It was not revised after the change to CAPR 35-5 to reflect the current promotion requirements. Both regs should be revised to reflect the current requirements for promotion, which would likely result in Earhart getting 2d Lt and Cadet Tech rating instead of 1st Lt. Eaker would get 1st Lt in addition, while Spaatz would get 1st Lt, CP Senior rating, and Yeager.
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2016, 01:15:50 PM »

See above.

Yeah, actually, it does make sense.

I don't see how. If you demonstrated the necessary proficiency to earn advanced grade after being a cadet it seems counter-productive. I could see a slightly modified system for us but I understand why it is this way.

It works the same way as advanced rank for professional skills works.  If you come in as a CPA and become a Wing or Region Finance  officer then after 6 months (and completion of level 1) you are eligible to be appointed 1st Lt.  If rank is not something you are concerned with, then you are done (which is the case with many pilots).  If you do want to be a Captain however, you will need to complete all the PD requirements that you need to make you eligible for promotion to Captain (Levels 2 and 3)
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2016, 05:07:04 PM »

This is actually very simple if you don't try to over-think it.  No matter how you received your current grade you must meet all documented requirements for the next grade. 

Example: A Spaatz cadet is promoted to Capt when he/she becomes a Senior Member.  For that person to be eligible for promotion to Major they must have completed Level IV.  Since a requirement for Level IV is completion of all previous levels then that means the Capt must complete Level III since he/she was only awarded Level II.
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2016, 06:58:32 PM »

This is actually very simple if you don't try to over-think it.  No matter how you received your current grade you must meet all documented requirements for the next grade. 

Example: A Spaatz cadet is promoted to Capt when he/she becomes a Senior Member.  For that person to be eligible for promotion to Major they must have completed Level IV.  Since a requirement for Level IV is completion of all previous levels then that means the Capt must complete Level III since he/she was only awarded Level II.

I have a question about this.  I was appointed as a chaplain in the grade of captain last month.  My seminary education includes two doctoral degrees in ministry-related subjects (D.Min. and Ph.D.). 

CAPR 35-5 discusses appointments and promotions. On p. 16, section 5-3 (a) (3) it says: "Major. A clergyperson with an earned doctorate in a ministry-related field and 1 year time-in-grade as a captain."

Is my promotion to major after one year automatic because of my doctorate, or do I have to complete level IV first? I expect to complete level II in October.  My squadron commander is under the impression that the promotion is automatic after a year because it is part of the initial appointment, but admits not having reviewed chaplain appointment policies lately.

Thanks!
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2016, 07:56:37 PM »

This is actually very simple if you don't try to over-think it.  No matter how you received your current grade you must meet all documented requirements for the next grade. 

Example: A Spaatz cadet is promoted to Capt when he/she becomes a Senior Member.  For that person to be eligible for promotion to Major they must have completed Level IV.  Since a requirement for Level IV is completion of all previous levels then that means the Capt must complete Level III since he/she was only awarded Level II.

I have a question about this.  I was appointed as a chaplain in the grade of captain last month.  My seminary education includes two doctoral degrees in ministry-related subjects (D.Min. and Ph.D.). 

CAPR 35-5 discusses appointments and promotions. On p. 16, section 5-3 (a) (3) it says: "Major. A clergyperson with an earned doctorate in a ministry-related field and 1 year time-in-grade as a captain."

Is my promotion to major after one year automatic because of my doctorate, or do I have to complete level IV first? I expect to complete level II in October.  My squadron commander is under the impression that the promotion is automatic after a year because it is part of the initial appointment, but admits not having reviewed chaplain appointment policies lately.

Thanks!

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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2016, 02:41:31 AM »

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