What is the Regulation of service caps in cadet blues?

[Cap_5526]

I had a Airman ask me this as my first day as flight/first sergeant (we have a small squadron) and I didn't know what the answer was.  He had asked me that if we are in class A's (blues uniform with service coats) if we could wear a service cap instead of the flight cap.  He also asked me about ABU's and I didn't know that answer nor did I want to get into it because he didn't stop at asking me about the ABU's but then continued to tell me that he wanted them so he could look cool and like the Air Force.    But enough about that I just need to know the answer to the service caps.
Thanks!
C/SSgt De La O

[sandite190]

You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

[Eclipse]

The service cap is not authorized for wear by cadet Airmen or NCOs, per 39-1, Page 35, 4.1.5.11.

The ABU issue was closed by writ or Maj Gen Carr CAP will not request wear of that uniform.

[lordmonar]

You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.

Have a great day.

[Private Investigator]

You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.

Have a great day.

And to the OP welcome aboard CAP Talk and have fun in CAP.   

[Claar]

Only cadet officers or members of some honor guards are authorized to wear the service cap.  Cadet airmen and NCO's may not.  If a cadet officer chooses to wear one, it must be the company grade cap, with a a cadet officer cap device.

- C/1st Lt. Claar

[JC004]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

[kwe1009]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

[PHall]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

[lordmonar]

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

[Grumpy]

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing

[lordmonar]

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing

And when you are COS of the USAF you would have that option. 

[ColonelJack]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

[MSG Mac]

The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.

[kwe1009]

The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.

True but unfortunately not quite true enough though as we are still stuck with ABUs and probably the least military looking service jacket.

[AlphaSigOU]

General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.

[Tim Medeiros]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

[ColonelJack]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack

[THRAWN]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack

Don't ask questions like that. There is a "blue" joke lurking not too far below the surface....one time, at band camp....

[Flying Pig]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

What high school marching band do these guys belong to?

[ColonelJack]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack

Don't ask questions like that. There is a "blue" joke lurking not too far below the surface....one time, at band camp....

I think I know that joke.................

Jack

[PHall]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

What high school marching band do these guys belong to?

Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!!

[Private Investigator]

General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.

I am thinking General Patton 

[Private Investigator]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

What high school marching band do these guys belong to?

Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!!

True that   

[PHall]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

What high school marching band do these guys belong to?

Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!!

True that   

Their mascot is the Blue Falcon!

[MSG Mac]

They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.

[PHall]

They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.

How about just say NO to the choker collar!

[THRAWN]

General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.

I am thinking General Patton 

I always think of not-really-a-general General Custer with this description.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.

Or the Coast Guard.



And for the ladies...


Commander Sandra Walker, RNZN

[LTCinSWR]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

That looks like it could have been designed for 'Starship Troopers'.

[MSG Mac]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The reason is called  MONEY. The Uniforms probably cost a minimum of $300, Just the decorations they're wearing is close to $200.(They're only wearing Personal decoration, not all that they're entitled to) That General Hat with the braid around the hat, another $150/$200.

[PHall]

but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The reason is called  MONEY. The Uniforms probably cost a minimum of $300, Just the decorations they're wearing is close to $200.(They're only wearing Personal decoration, not all that they're entitled to) That General Hat with the braid around the hat, another $150/$200.

That's the Chief of Staff band on the hat. It's an add-on for the "normal" General Officer's Service Cap. It's under $100.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Made me think... Were these officer's heads in the clouds when they decided on that uniform? Caps with clouds, heads in clouds...

[Brad]

Made me think... Were these officer's heads in the clouds when they decided on that uniform? Caps with clouds, heads in clouds...

Extra hat braid for Chiefs of Staff (and Commandants of the Marine Corps) has been around for quite awhile. Case in point Gen Nathan Twining (1957-1960):

[Luis R. Ramos]

I knew that.

Just wanted to make a funny connection but I guess no one saw it...

Those officers that wanted to get a new uniform did not think because they had their heads in the clouds... Ahh, whats the use???

When you have to explain your joke, there was a problem. In the delivery, maybe?

[go4spaatz]

Those officers that wanted to get a new uniform did not think because they had their heads in the clouds... Ahh, whats the use???

I got the joke, maybe because I have been stuck with a lot of bad puns lately (If a judge is talkative, expect a long sentence...)

[AirAux]

I am pretty sure that uniform was designed after the one worn by the late Ralph Cranston or was it Kramdon..

[Chappie]

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http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG
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I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack
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Jack nailed it....these are the BAND uniforms

https://www.google.com/search?q=usaf+band&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RwzRVMzNJtXfoASRoILAAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA

[LTCinSWR]

You have wonder - what possessed them to do that?