Instrument Rating

[bobcat746]

Is it acceptable for an individual to work on their instrument rating under an Air Force Mission number designated for mission pilot proficiency flying?

[lordmonar]

If you are a MP...you can work on your IFR rating.    Not sure what mission symbol to use.....that is a question best directed to your wing ops section.

[Storm Chaser]

Other than on approved training missions, no additional flying maneuvers are to be conducted on Air Force assigned missions that are not required to accomplish the mission. Additional flying maneuvers include, but are not limited to, pilot training/instruction on missions with a primary purpose other than training, flying proficiency enhancement, currency accomplishment, "time building" or maneuvers that are not required to complete the mission but increase overall flight time.

If it's not part of the mission, it can't be done. Many proficiency sorties require you to fly a specific profile. It's best to check with your WG/DO.

[bobcat746]

Thanks for the feedback.

[Cliff_Chambliss]

The symbol you want is C25 
Ref CAPR60-1.

Only took 3 minutes to look it up.

[Storm Chaser]

The symbol you want is C25 
Ref CAPR60-1.

Only took 3 minutes to look it up.

C25 missions are not AFAM, but CAP corporate missions. The OP asked about doing training towards an instrument rating on an AFAM.

[Eclipse]

^ Correct.

Profiles 7 & 9 can be used for IFR proficiency (9 specifically), but not for upgrade training.

[Panzerbjorn]

There's nothing saying you can't fly a transport/Mx flight with a CFII, filing IFR and logging it as training in your logbook.  You're allowed one landing and one instrument approach. Go and do multiple instrument approaches?  No, can't do THAT.  But there are ways to accomplish what you're trying to do while staying in the regs.

[Flying Pig]

Go missed 

[JeffDG]

There's nothing saying you can't fly a transport/Mx flight with a CFII, filing IFR and logging it as training in your logbook.  You're allowed one landing and one instrument approach. Go and do multiple instrument approaches?  No, can't do THAT.  But there are ways to accomplish what you're trying to do while staying in the regs.

Actually, the Transport Profile (#4) states:

This flight will consist of a cross-country flight with a minimum of three navigation legs that
culminate in landings at three airports. Total flight time should be approximately 1.5 hours.

So you can conduct at least 3 instrument approaches as part of a #4 A12

[Panzerbjorn]

There's nothing saying you can't fly a transport/Mx flight with a CFII, filing IFR and logging it as training in your logbook.  You're allowed one landing and one instrument approach. Go and do multiple instrument approaches?  No, can't do THAT.  But there are ways to accomplish what you're trying to do while staying in the regs.

Actually, the Transport Profile (#4) states:

This flight will consist of a cross-country flight with a minimum of three navigation legs that
culminate in landings at three airports. Total flight time should be approximately 1.5 hours.

So you can conduct at least 3 instrument approaches as part of a #4 A12

Well, I'll be derped.  It CAN be funded under an A12 profile.  That's new to me.  Last I looked at those profiles, not too long ago, they said they're only funded under B12 missions.  Guess I had an old copy before Oct 2013. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Though reading it again, it appears to need Wing Commander approval for that profile to be funded.

[JeffDG]

There's nothing saying you can't fly a transport/Mx flight with a CFII, filing IFR and logging it as training in your logbook.  You're allowed one landing and one instrument approach. Go and do multiple instrument approaches?  No, can't do THAT.  But there are ways to accomplish what you're trying to do while staying in the regs.

Actually, the Transport Profile (#4) states:

This flight will consist of a cross-country flight with a minimum of three navigation legs that
culminate in landings at three airports. Total flight time should be approximately 1.5 hours.

So you can conduct at least 3 instrument approaches as part of a #4 A12

Well, I'll be derped.  It CAN be funded under an A12 profile.  That's new to me.  Last I looked at those profiles, not too long ago, they said they're only funded under B12 missions.  Guess I had an old copy before Oct 2013. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Though reading it again, it appears to need Wing Commander approval for that profile to be funded.

Actually, if the Wing is OK with it, TMPs can actually fly an A12 on profile #4...I think it's the only one that you don't need to be a full-Mission Pilot for.  I did an A7 (old symbol) for that one myself.

[Panzerbjorn]

The reality of it, though, is that I don't think most Wings will approve funding for TMP training when there's always a long line of MP training sorties to do.

[JeffDG]

The reality of it, though, is that I don't think most Wings will approve funding for TMP training when there's always a long line of MP training sorties to do.

Depends.  TMPs that are close to qualifying for MP, might get some A12s to get them over the hours hump.  One MP is worth a lot in the airplane allocation formula.