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MacGruff
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« on: June 23, 2014, 11:35:14 PM »

Just saw an email that following a four hour maintenance period on Wednesday, we'll see the new version of eservices.

Anyone in the know, know what new features will be there?

BTW - It seems that new features have been getting rolled out for the past few weeks. Anyone else notice the additional links, modules, and reports?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 02:04:09 AM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 03:54:17 AM »

Somebody here plays WoW....  (I recognize the icon for WoWHead anywhere.)
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 11:49:25 AM »

Somebody here plays WoW....  (I recognize the icon for WoWHead anywhere.)
Yep, reminds me, I need to get going on leveling my alts during the midsummer fire festival this week.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 03:46:17 PM »

I just had a Balance Druid ninja a Strength/Stam cloak that drops from Ahune.  I'm a little miffed.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 03:50:38 PM »

I would be too, I'm not up on druids, but is that even good for bear spec?
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2014, 03:53:38 PM »

Nope, Strength does nothing for them.  They rely on Agility and Stam.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 03:55:17 PM »

That's what I thought.  Gotta love people like that.  One of the pluses of being a mage, no one really tries to take my stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 03:59:13 PM »

Except those dirty Locks*.

* - My main is a Lock**.

** - You do realize everybody else is reading this and either saying "wth?" or, alternatively, "neeeeeeeerrrrrrrrddddddddsssssss!", don't you?

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 04:03:53 PM »

As a note to your second note, a third option is "yeah, not outing myself as a player"; also, Metzen said it best a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_uAbmka5Ko

As for Locks, I haven't had much issue with them, then again I simply remind locks they are hunters that wanted to be mages.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 04:07:37 PM »

As for Locks, I haven't had much issue with them, then again I simply remind locks they are hunters that wanted to be mages.

(snort)

Sir, dat dere 'em fightin' words.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 04:11:07 PM »

 :o

Even me, the super geek, got lost. I've played WoW once or twice but my machine stopped supporting it for some reason.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 04:12:45 PM »

Except those dirty Locks*.

* - My main is a Lock**.

** - You do realize everybody else is reading this and either saying "wth?" or, alternatively, "neeeeeeeerrrrrrrrddddddddsssssss!", don't you?
Any one reading CAPTALK....is by definition a nerd......so there you go.  :)
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 04:14:34 PM »

Well if you think about it:

Pure DPS classes with pets in all specs:
hunter, warlock

Pure DPS classes that focus on magic:
mage, warlock

Either warlocks are hunters that wanted to be mages, or frost mages that wanted more pets.  Considering mages know we're the superior class, only an insane one would make the decision that more pets than the frost elemental would be wanted/needed.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 04:24:18 PM »

Oh Tim, your geek is showing.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 04:35:43 PM »

Oh Tim, your geek is showing.
It's been showing ever since I went into IT.  This is also nowhere near the level of geek from my old job. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 04:39:07 PM »

As someone who plays a hunter as my main, not sure if I should feel insulted or not...  :P

For those that are curious: Krivv - Hyjal
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 04:44:25 PM »

So what uniform is appropriate for these characters and their activities?   >:D
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 04:45:53 PM »

So what uniform is appropriate for these characters and their activities?   >:D
Depends on their faction of course.
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 04:48:29 PM »

So what uniform is appropriate for these characters and their activities?   >:D
Depends on their faction of course.

Different set of regs.
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 04:49:20 PM »

So what uniform is appropriate for these characters and their activities?   >:D

Whatever they can loot.
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 04:51:17 PM »

Then you'd also have to factor in the different classes and specs.  The uniform for an arcane mage would NOT work well for a rogue or feral druid.  You'd probably want something different from a fire mage to a frost mage too (thinking of heat and cold weather safety here).
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 04:52:16 PM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 04:52:58 PM »

I herd that the new WOWM 39-1 is approved and should be released any time now.   >:D
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 04:54:51 PM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?

If I understand correctly you'll have the option to make yours look like that after the maintenance is complete tomorrow.
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 04:57:05 PM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?
Come Wednesday around 1200 CDT (approx, hopefully this won't be like a major patch from Blizzard) there will be.  Some people were asked to test drive it for a bit to make sure some kinks were worked out.  I happened to be lucky and be in the right place at the right time.


I herd that the new WOWM 39-1 is approved and should be released any time now.   >:D
Does it take into account the different factions or even the neutral "faction"?  How about all the different terrains we can fly over?
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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2014, 05:09:42 PM »

I herd that the new WOWM 39-1 is approved and should be released any time now.   >:D
Does it take into account the different factions or even the neutral "faction"?  How about all the different terrains we can fly over?

Hopefully it specifies that PvP uniforms are not allowed for Raid missions.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2014, 05:47:12 PM »

I herd that the new WOWM 39-1 is approved and should be released any time now.   >:D
Does it take into account the different factions or even the neutral "faction"?  How about all the different terrains we can fly over?

Hopefully it specifies that PvP uniforms are not allowed for Raid missions.
Hopefully, but I doubt that would happen.  It would remove a class of players from being able to wear a certain type of uniform based on only their choice of participation.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2014, 06:15:45 PM »

Never Played WoW, But....

I did play EverQuest back in the Day..... Ohhhh....Then alot of friends moved to DAOC, which I never Did.
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2014, 06:21:15 PM »

Oh Tim, your geek is showing.
It's been showing ever since I went into IT.  This is also nowhere near the level of geek from my old job.

Lol.  So then since you were about 6 years old then.  Well that explains some things, but I tried to keep it to a minimum for your own benefit.
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2014, 07:01:56 PM »

Oh Tim, your geek is showing.
It's been showing ever since I went into IT.  This is also nowhere near the level of geek from my old job.

Lol.  So then since you were about 6 years old then.  Well that explains some things, but I tried to keep it to a minimum for your own benefit.
It's in the genes, in this case, the paternal ones.  There is no escaping.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 03:39:41 AM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?
Come Wednesday around 1200 CDT (approx, hopefully this won't be like a major patch from Blizzard) there will be.  Some people were asked to test drive it for a bit to make sure some kinks were worked out.  I happened to be lucky and be in the right place at the right time.

(sigh)  Great.  Now all my eServices add-ons are going to be broken....
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 04:21:29 AM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?
Come Wednesday around 1200 CDT (approx, hopefully this won't be like a major patch from Blizzard) there will be.  Some people were asked to test drive it for a bit to make sure some kinks were worked out.  I happened to be lucky and be in the right place at the right time.

(sigh)  Great.  Now all my eServices add-ons are going to be broken....

Be sure to check for updates. The Curse client is pretty helpful, though I don't know if they have a section for eServices...

Hmm an eServices DBM that tells me when a report is about due. That would be awesome.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 04:54:36 AM »

The new version is basically a face lift of what we have now.  I've attached a screenshot of how it exists currently.

Okay, so stupid question.  My eServices looks nothing like that.  I like that layout.  Is there a way to change the format?
Come Wednesday around 1200 CDT (approx, hopefully this won't be like a major patch from Blizzard) there will be.  Some people were asked to test drive it for a bit to make sure some kinks were worked out.  I happened to be lucky and be in the right place at the right time.

(sigh)  Great.  Now all my eServices add-ons are going to be broken....

Be sure to check for updates. The Curse client is pretty helpful, though I don't know if they have a section for eServices...

Hmm an eServices DBM that tells me when a report is about due. That would be awesome.
Or when someone clicks the Ask the Commander link, that way we can get out of the fire....


Also, relevant to this post, http://imgur.com/r/wow/Z1NhEsa
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 09:08:00 AM »

Also, relevant to this post, http://imgur.com/r/wow/Z1NhEsa

Obviously the tank's fault.
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2014, 10:06:37 AM »

Well, we've just proven CAP-Talk Theorem #1 (again): "CAP-Talk can turn any discussion into one about uniforms."  Even nerdy uniforms.
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2014, 11:51:01 AM »

Well, we've just proven CAP-Talk Theorem #1 (again): "CAP-Talk can turn any discussion into one about uniforms."  Even nerdy uniforms.
I think we've got it down to an art form.
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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2014, 11:51:49 AM »

Also, relevant to this post, http://imgur.com/r/wow/Z1NhEsa

Obviously the tank's fault.
That or the healers fault.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2014, 11:55:38 AM »

I think we've got it down to an art form.

Yeah, this one was subtle. It smoothly went from CAP Technologies to Nerdy Tech to Nerdy Uniforms.

I almost missed it.

 8)
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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2014, 11:59:37 AM »

I think we've got it down to an art form.

Yeah, this one was subtle. It smoothly went from CAP Technologies to Nerdy Tech to Nerdy Uniforms.

I almost missed it.

 8)
And yet we've managed to avoid the main uniform topics somehow.
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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2014, 01:22:46 PM »

Can NHQ give us 7 free days of CAP time to see if we want to resub or not?
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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2014, 01:25:19 PM »

Can NHQ give us 7 free days of CAP time to see if we want to resub or not?
I guess it would depend on the amount of time, and service interruption, on NHQs end.  At least we don't have to pay $15/month
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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2014, 05:53:21 PM »

I think we've got it down to an art form.

Yeah, this one was subtle. It smoothly went from CAP Technologies to Nerdy Tech to Nerdy Uniforms.

I almost missed it.

 8)
And yet we've managed to avoid the main uniform topics somehow.

Wait until the new 39-1 drops, with the revisions to the blue uniform...

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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2014, 05:56:03 PM »

I think we've got it down to an art form.

Yeah, this one was subtle. It smoothly went from CAP Technologies to Nerdy Tech to Nerdy Uniforms.

I almost missed it.

 8)
And yet we've managed to avoid the main uniform topics somehow.

Wait until the new 39-1 drops, with the revisions to the blue uniform...


I would say that is suitably different at low light and at any distance, what say the masses?
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2014, 06:02:26 PM »

I think that works...assuming I rebuild my mage.

I just got finished with a mass 2B filing for the majority of my characters....
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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2014, 06:04:17 PM »

Personally, I'm partial to Tier 8 or Tier 5 mage sets, buuuuuut they aren't really blue...
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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2014, 06:55:37 PM »

Does anybody see the new E-Services yet?  I get the same old version. . .
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2014, 06:56:54 PM »

Does anybody see the new E-Services yet?  I get the same old version. . .

Same here. I haven't found a way to swap to the new view yet.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2014, 06:59:20 PM »

I suspect something went amiss.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2014, 07:08:07 PM »

I suspect something went amiss.

That's what happens when you aren't hit or expertise capped...
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2014, 07:13:09 PM »

I suspect something went amiss.

That's what happens when you aren't hit or expertise capped...
Thankfully that's going away with the next xpac!
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2014, 07:23:24 PM »

That staff is clearly a safety violation.
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2014, 07:59:07 PM »

I just got the option to get in to the new eServices, so it is there. They may be doing a slow roll out.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2014, 08:19:37 PM »

I got stuck in the new eServices - anyone know how to get out of it? It logs me out when I try to go to my promotions track report.
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2014, 08:26:21 PM »

I signed up for it. And I only have one thing to say:

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2014, 08:38:51 PM »

Looks snazzy!!  :clap:

Click your name in the right corner to go back to the old version.
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2014, 08:47:00 PM »

Did it not give you all the option to view the tutorial/introduction to the new eServices when you went to it?  One of the things in that video was how to get back to the old version.
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2014, 08:47:16 PM »

Looks snazzy!!  :clap:

Click your name in the right corner to go back to the old version.

Thank you very much!
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2014, 08:48:37 PM »

I got stuck in the new eServices - anyone know how to get out of it? It logs me out when I try to go to my promotions track report.
Please submit a help desk ticket (click the Help Desk link bottom right hand side of either version) so that NHQ/IT can resolve this issue.
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2014, 08:50:38 PM »

You have been selected to test the new eServices.  Click the link below to start exploring.  If you would like to go to the new eServices when you log in, check the checkbox below.  If you find any issues, please let us know through the help desk with a subject of "eServices Beta".

ETA:

Looks OK. It's pretty much the same book, with a different cover. It might be easier to navigate, once the interface changeover is complete, and you can customize it at will.
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« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2014, 08:53:32 PM »

Seems like the "new" eServices is basically reorganization of the main page.
Which is fine since most of the functionality should be familiar.
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« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2014, 08:59:31 PM »

It looks more like capmembers.com now.
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« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2014, 09:29:33 PM »

I checked the new version of eServices; my first response was "Meh. It looks okay." The squadron statistics feature is interesting, to say the least. I think I'll try it for a few days and see how I like all of it.


Update: I tried looking at some stuff, like my training qualifications, and I got taken to a page with the old eServices look. Guess they haven't quite updated everything.
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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2014, 09:34:58 PM »

I've been running into some broken links. It looks sort of pretty to me.
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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2014, 09:42:54 PM »

Please report any broken links to the help desk, or even here and I'll pass it along.

A feature you all may not have discovered about the Statistics widget is if you click on the icon at the top right of it, you can expand the timeframe and even look at different units.


Update: I tried looking at some stuff, like my training qualifications, and I got taken to a page with the old eServices look. Guess they haven't quite updated everything.
The facelift so far has only extended to the main page.  If I recall from when I was first introduced to this, the plan is to migrate each application in time.
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« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2014, 09:47:47 PM »

Please report any broken links to the help desk, or even here and I'll pass it along.

I have (reported them to the help desk).
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« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2014, 10:08:09 PM »

Please report any broken links to the help desk, or even here and I'll pass it along.

A feature you all may not have discovered about the Statistics widget is if you click on the icon at the top right of it, you can expand the timeframe and even look at different units.


Update: I tried looking at some stuff, like my training qualifications, and I got taken to a page with the old eServices look. Guess they haven't quite updated everything.
The facelift so far has only extended to the main page.  If I recall from when I was first introduced to this, the plan is to migrate each application in time.


For the statistics page, are they planning to put the members names and e-mail addresses on like the old version?
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« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2014, 10:12:51 PM »

Please report any broken links to the help desk, or even here and I'll pass it along.

A feature you all may not have discovered about the Statistics widget is if you click on the icon at the top right of it, you can expand the timeframe and even look at different units.


Update: I tried looking at some stuff, like my training qualifications, and I got taken to a page with the old eServices look. Guess they haven't quite updated everything.
The facelift so far has only extended to the main page.  If I recall from when I was first introduced to this, the plan is to migrate each application in time.


For the statistics page, are they planning to put the members names and e-mail addresses on like the old version?
Last I heard, there are plans for another widget to have the current stats (instead of the latest being the end of the previous month), likely with links to the email gathering page.
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« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2014, 06:30:26 PM »

I was "selected to test the new eservices", feel like I hit the lottery!!!  But, not a bad start as I find my way around the new eservices. 
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« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2014, 07:29:48 PM »

I think that screen is from when they were actually selecting people. Now everyone sees it. ;)
I'm not thrilled with it, have to re-arrange stuff. I actually don't like all the stuff hidden. Some things are not where you'd think to look at first.
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« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2014, 08:15:42 PM »

I think that screen is from when they were actually selecting people. Now everyone sees it. ;)
I'm not thrilled with it, have to re-arrange stuff. I actually don't like all the stuff hidden. Some things are not where you'd think to look at first.
If you could send me a list (email or PM is fine) of what is not intuitive with the locations of certain items I'll be glad to send it forward.
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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2014, 02:46:07 PM »

Where do you find you Qualifications on the new E Services?
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« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2014, 03:03:54 PM »

If you don't have access to the restricted OpsQuals, you can click on the trophy icon near your name at the top of the page and then click on "Qualifications".
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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2014, 05:31:51 PM »

Not there, I had to go under the reports tab.
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« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2014, 05:42:29 PM »

Not there, I had to go under the reports tab.
You do not have the trophy icon, or the qualifications link?  If you don't have the qualification link, what shows when you click the icon?
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« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2014, 05:49:56 PM »

I dont have the trophy Icon, or atleast this computer dosnt show it. I click on reports, operations qualifications, etc.

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« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2014, 05:52:01 PM »

I dont have the trophy Icon, or atleast this computer dosnt show it. I click on reports, operations qualifications, etc.
Would you be able to send me an image of what you see on your screen for eServices?
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« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2014, 06:47:15 PM »


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« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2014, 12:24:16 AM »

This is basically national's way of teaching cadets that things can always get worse.
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« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2014, 01:07:54 AM »

This is basically national's way of teaching cadets that things can always get worse.

If you could qualify your comment qnd post your specific complaints, I'd be glad to pass them along.
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« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2014, 02:25:51 AM »

I'm trying to make some sense out of the member stats. 

I was excited to see, in theory, membership numbers back to 2003 for every charter in the country,
but just looking at my own wing's 000 unit, the numbers look too low by about 30%.

It's entirely possible some house cleaning has taken place, since I didn't go back to compare,
just my first-pass glance.
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