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[Mustang]

Technically speaking we are only an auxiliary of the Air Force when on an Air Force mission.  So most of the time we are a civilian corporation.  When I was a member of a volunteer Search and Rescue team in Illinois, even though we reported through the Fire Department we wore polos and tactical pants.

100% WRONG!!!!

I SAY AGAIN MY LAST!   100% WRONG!

We are always the Civil Air Patrol, The Official Auxiliary of the USAF!  Says so in the law that created us!

What you are getting confused about is:   We are only an instrument of the U.S. Government and covered by Federal Tort Protection, and Federal Workers Compensation during USAF Assigned Missions.

So get let's forget this AUX ON/AUX OFF stuff!

Sorry for my rant!

Non-concur.

10 USC §9442. Status as volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force

(a) Volunteer Civilian Auxiliary.—
The Civil Air Patrol is a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government.
(b) Use by Air Force.—
(1) The Secretary of the Air Force may use the services of the Civil Air Patrol to fulfill the noncombat programs and missions of the Department of the Air Force.
(2) The Civil Air Patrol shall be deemed to be an instrumentality of the United States with respect to any act or omission of the Civil Air Patrol, including any member of the Civil Air Patrol, in carrying out a mission assigned by the Secretary of the Air Force.

Paragraph (a) identifies pretty clearly when we are considered "a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force"; the implication being that anytime that condition--"when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government."--is NOT met, we are not considered as such.

[Panache]

Slightly off topic.... but check out the attached picture to this story.

[ColonelJack]

Paragraph (a) identifies pretty clearly when we are considered "a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force"; the implication being that anytime that condition--"when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government."--is NOT met, we are not considered as such.

Which doesn't change my main point ... if you don't want to wear uniforms (whether AF or corporate) and don't want to hold a rank and don't want to be part of a military-styled advancement system, you are in the wrong organization and I question why you joined in the first place.

N.B. - this is my view and mine alone; your mileage may vary.

Jack

[jeders]

Slightly off topic.... but check out the attached picture to this story.

I'm sorry, what are we checking out?

[LSThiker]

Slightly off topic.... but check out the attached picture to this story.

I'm sorry, what are we checking out?

Click on the words "attached picture" and you will see a picture of a Lt Col wearing a flight cap with the blue flight suit.

[Sapper168]

Slightly off topic.... but check out the attached picture to this story.

I'm sorry, what are we checking out?

Click on the words "attached picture" and you will see a picture of a Lt Col wearing a flight cap with the blue flight suit.

Under current CAPM-39-1 this is within regs.  Check out page 86, table 4-5, line 6.

[unmlobo]

Personally as someone who got their degree in History I am all for the World War I or II Observer rating badges.  Slightly updated without the straight wing design of the Great War.  Just my two cents.  Fair Winds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TechnicalObserverWings.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_-_Balloon_Observer_WWI.png

[LSThiker]

Under current CAPM-39-1 this is within regs.  Check out page 86, table 4-5, line 6.

Yes it is.  Did not say otherwise.  Of course, I could have described the major wearing a green flight suit with the flight cap.  However, I figured I would just describe the ranking officer in the picture.

[Eclipse]

Paragraph (a) identifies pretty clearly when we are considered "a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force"; the implication being that anytime that condition--"when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government."--is NOT met, we are not considered as such.

Nope, wrong.

We are always the USAF Auxiliary.

[Eclipse]

Which they have not done for some time, at least not at an educational level.  Upper echelons know who we are (as Colonel Lee can well attest) but the further down the totem pole you go knowledge diminishes.  When it gets to the point where some Airman writes in to Air Force Times saying that in BMT their MTI said to "ignore" CAP members, that's pretty bad - if true.

And it almost certainly isn't.

Apocryphal stories by disgruntled Airmen fresh out of BMT should likely be treated with, "suspicion", at best.

[FW]

Paragraph (a) identifies pretty clearly when we are considered "a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force"; the implication being that anytime that condition--"when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government."--is NOT met, we are not considered as such.

Nope, wrong.

We are always the USAF Auxiliary.

+1

[Eclipse]

Under current CAPM-39-1 this is within regs.  Check out page 86, table 4-5, line 6.

Yes it is.  Did not say otherwise.  Of course, I could have described the major wearing a green flight suit with the flight cap.  However, I figured I would just describe the ranking officer in the picture.

Why are we "checking them out"?  They both look fine.

[LSThiker]

Why are we "checking them out"?  They both look fine.

Do not ask me.  I agree.  I do not see anything particularly glaring.  Ask Panache.

[abdsp51]

Anything written in the Mil Times or Military.com should be taken with a grain of salt.  It is not the AFs job to educate the masses it is our job.  As I have said before if we want folks to be aware it is up to us, but BMT and Tech School are not the places for it.  Sorry but until we are considered part of the total force initiative then the AF is not going to educate the masses beyond what they do currently.

[jeders]

Slightly off topic.... but check out the attached picture to this story.

I'm sorry, what are we checking out?

Click on the words "attached picture" and you will see a picture of a Lt Col wearing a flight cap with the blue flight suit.

You're point?

[LSThiker]

You're point?

Well I do not think I am a point.

However, I misread your question.  I thought you were asking where the attached picture was.  My apologies.  My only point was where the picture is located and a very simple description of said picture.

[jeders]

You're point?

Well I do not think I am a point.

Well it could be argued that you are a data point, and your location on a map is represented by a point. It's also possible that I made a typo, but I doubt it. 

[LSThiker]

Well it could be argued that you are a data point,

I prefer to make data points when I carry out my research. 

[Devil Doc]

As an AD member I have had to explain to every supervisor I have had what CAP is.  Whenever my EPR comes around the first time with them I have a packet of things that I bring them re: What CAP is, what quals I have achieved since my last EPR, and whatever numbers I can get a hold of.  Kind of sad considering we are the Auxiliary and almost no one knows what CAP is.  I plan on informing as many as I can at this new base.

As for saluting eh it is what is, salute it if it's shiny, if not pick it up.  If it can't be picked up, paint it.

Actually I was Shocked the other Day, I asked an Co-Worker if they knew what CAP was, they said Ya, wernt they from WW2 or something, Im was in total shock they knew that much.

[Mustang]

Paragraph (a) identifies pretty clearly when we are considered "a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force"; the implication being that anytime that condition--"when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government."--is NOT met, we are not considered as such.

Nope, wrong.

We are always the USAF Auxiliary.

Yes Bob, you're right, the law is wrong. (Do you pull this crap with CAP regs too?)

We may always be "the" USAF Auxiliary, but according to that section of federal law, we enjoy auxiliary status ONLY when performing missions for federal agencies. 

The easy way to understand this: if you're performing an AF-assigned (A or B) mission, you have auxiliary status, which provides FECA/FTCA protections.  If you're performing a corporate mission, you don't have auxiliary status, so no FECA/FTCA. 

So yeah,  the AUX ON/AUX OFF distinction remains valid and important.