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smithwr2
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« on: December 18, 2013, 02:33:20 PM »

I was curious as to the status of ARCHER - Airborne Real-time Cueing Hyperspectral Enhanced.
The NHQ website still describes training for a special few on a highly-competitive basis.  So I submitted a question to Knowledgebase about this training:

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Hi Knowledgebase, I am a MP and  I am interested in attending the 5-day ARCHER training at NHQ.  I am familiar with the application process, screening process, exam, nomination, etc.  listed elsewhere on Knowledgebase.

Question:  when is the next scheduled formal ARCHER training at NHQ?  I request this information to plan the application timing and also my personal schedule, if selected.
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In case the most recent well-aged posts on CAPTALK for ARCHER dating back to mid-2000s was not a clue, here is the response from a knowledgeable person at NHQ regarding the status of ARCHER (2013):


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Response Via Email(KB Manager) - 12/11/2013 07:03 AM ARCHER training will no longer be conducted on a national scale.  The systems are reaching their useful life, many have already had to be retired, and we will likely only be supporting training in the local area of the few remaining systems.
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I hope to find some local training opportunities, even though ARCHER is long in the tooth.  If anyone knows of a plane and ARCHER system in the Pacific NW, and wants to do some training on ARCHER, let me know and lets go flying.


Randy Smith CAP Capt
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SJFedor
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 05:39:07 PM »

I was curious as to the status of ARCHER - Airborne Real-time Cueing Hyperspectral Enhanced.
The NHQ website still describes training for a special few on a highly-competitive basis.  So I submitted a question to Knowledgebase about this training:

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Hi Knowledgebase, I am a MP and  I am interested in attending the 5-day ARCHER training at NHQ.  I am familiar with the application process, screening process, exam, nomination, etc.  listed elsewhere on Knowledgebase.

Question:  when is the next scheduled formal ARCHER training at NHQ?  I request this information to plan the application timing and also my personal schedule, if selected.
********************


In case the most recent well-aged posts on CAPTALK for ARCHER dating back to mid-2000s was not a clue, here is the response from a knowledgeable person at NHQ regarding the status of ARCHER (2013):


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Response Via Email(KB Manager) - 12/11/2013 07:03 AM ARCHER training will no longer be conducted on a national scale.  The systems are reaching their useful life, many have already had to be retired, and we will likely only be supporting training in the local area of the few remaining systems.
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I hope to find some local training opportunities, even though ARCHER is long in the tooth.  If anyone knows of a plane and ARCHER system in the Pacific NW, and wants to do some training on ARCHER, let me know and lets go flying.


Randy Smith CAP Capt
PCR-WA-015

Unfortunately, it's pretty much dead technology. It's also a lot more complicated than "flip the switch, lets go fly and i'll figure it out". There's a lot of nuiances to flying an ARCHER profile, and it's really not something you can just learn OTJ. You have to spend some pretty serious classroom time to understand how the system and it's components work. That's why there was only the national program to qualify people on how to fly it; it's actually THAT intensive. The last few years that NHQ did the operator training, a lot of it was done at NESA in Indiana.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 05:46:58 PM »

It was also a big time GoB network magnet, with the initial selection test being a one time ever, pass or fail being a perfect gateway to it. :(
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arajca
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 05:55:22 PM »

IIRC, there are only 4 functioning (mostly) ARCHER units left. The units were all prototypes, so there are no replacements available and the manufacturer has refused to allow anyone else to make the custom parts for it.

As they fail, if parts can ge cannabilized from the other failed ARCHER units, they will do that, otherwise the units wind up in the cannabil feeding trough and the aircraft get repurposed.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 06:04:22 PM »

Frankly, it was DOA.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 06:20:35 PM »

the aircraft get repurposed.

You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 07:18:25 PM »

the aircraft get repurposed.

You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.

A three bladed prop wouldn't hurt either. It has the climb performance of a brick.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 09:22:26 PM »

Quote from: NIN
You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.

A three bladed prop wouldn't hurt either. It has the climb performance of a brick.

I don't need that much climb performance...
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 09:48:54 PM »

You might with the full ~4000 lbs on board!
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 09:56:39 PM »

the aircraft get repurposed.

You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.
Do you mean with it open?
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 09:58:41 PM »

Quote from: NIN
You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.

A three bladed prop wouldn't hurt either. It has the climb performance of a brick.

I don't need that much climb performance...

So you like long rides up to jump altitude? >:D
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 10:49:49 PM »

Quote from: NIN
You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.

A three bladed prop wouldn't hurt either. It has the climb performance of a brick.

I don't need that much climb performance...

So you like long rides up to jump altitude? >:D

How long does it take to get to 800-1200 feet AGL?
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2013, 10:53:00 PM »

I have a little over 100hr in the G8 and too many Archer missions. Its the most uncomfortable airplane I have ever flown but a nice stable platform. Seems to me it would be a good airplane to put another, simpler, camera system in that has some gimbals so it could take those overhead pictures that FEMA likes so much. Oh yea, about 50 more horsepower would help too!
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PHall
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 01:04:57 AM »

Quote from: NIN
You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.

A three bladed prop wouldn't hurt either. It has the climb performance of a brick.

I don't need that much climb performance...

So you like long rides up to jump altitude? >:D

How long does it take to get to 800-1200 feet AGL?

Jump altitude is usually a bit higher, say 12,500 agl. We're not talking military static line jumps here.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 07:59:03 AM »

You know, that sliding door on the GA-8 has like an 80kt limitation.
Do you mean with it open?

Yup.

I was wrong: 100 kts

So you like long rides up to jump altitude? >:D
How long does it take to get to 800-1200 feet AGL?
Jump altitude is usually a bit higher, say 12,500 agl. We're not talking military static line jumps here.

Listed climb performance is 788ft/min (as Phil said, not exactly a barn-burner there!), but I believe that is at Max Gross/MTOW.  A pilot and 1-2 pax, 1/2 tanks, you're looking at 1,200 fpm.

Who needs 12,500? I was suggesting it as a repurposed platform for the "Wings of Ultramarine" :)  4,000 AGL is about all anybody really needs.  LOL.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2013, 09:49:25 AM »

Wing's of Ultramarine!  I'm there!
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PATRICK M. HARRIS, MSgt, CAP
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2013, 09:58:20 AM »

Seeing a CAP plane with ARCHER is like seeing someone in 2013 walking around with a cell phone with an extendable antenna and a battery bag.  Just get that dead weight off the planes and be done.   One time Pass/Fail opportunity?  Give me a break.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2013, 11:20:14 AM »

Don't forget the "chase vehicle" since the "ground station" was too heavy to be transported in the aircraft.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 02:02:11 PM »

Good ridance!!!!!  21 million tax-payers dollars down the drain.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 02:07:37 PM »

Well, it's not 100% wasted, unless the ARCHER gear itself cost that much alone, in which case I'll need
to go lay down for a while.

We still have the planes, and about 10 people who can fly them, so there's that.

Oh, and a lot of obsolete laptops!  Don't forget those!
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