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RogueLeader
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2007, 03:34:37 PM »


Copy sir, but Middle and Jr. High Schools are a very different environment, the average maturity level (of the other students) just isn't there yet.
I'd have to say for the most part, you are correct, but there are some that do have an above average maturity level.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2007, 03:34:20 AM »

Class A was full Service Dress, Class B was long sleeve blues shirt with tie, Class C was short sleeve blues shirt no tie.   ;D


Exactly.  This goes back years ago.  I was a cadet '87-'89 and even when I joined as a Senior member in '93, that is the terminology that was used then.  Keep in mind, over the years the terminology may have changed or the members have begun using the manuals "correct" name.

I have a Uni Manual from 1968, and that terminology wasn't used back then, nor does it show up in any subsequent Uni Manual I have on hand. Class A's, etc, has been wrong for at least 38 years, and some folks just won't let it go.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 04:12:24 AM »

Welcome to CAP! :)

To answer your question, no, you're not allowed to wear your blues uniform to school on the day of the meeting.  CAP has been using a general "one hour before, one hour after" uniform policy.  The idea is that you wear the uniform an hour before the meeting or activity and one hour after so that you're only wearing the uniform when it's required.

Also, I'd like to add that we don't refer to uniforms as "class a's, b's or c's" or anything like that.  What you're referring to is probably a short sleeve blues uniform.  And "class a's" are usually the service dress uniform.  CAP doesn't have a standardized class system, so, while it may work for your squadron, members of other squadrons won't know which uniform you're referring to.

Congratulations on your promotion to C/Amn.  Keep it up!


- Not attacking you, just stating something:
 I am familiar with the 1 hour rule for BDUs but not for Blues... in fact several  squadrons in my Wing encourage Blues-at School every once in a while as a recruiting tool. - to keep jrotc on their toes or somesuch.

As for the uniform Ive never heard them refered to as anything
If NOT A B or C's - in common usage.  Heck I get emails and such from the Wing Listserv with functions denoting A's as being req'd.
But then I are a 1Lt. according to some folks and not a 1st Lt so.... things aren't necessarily what they should be.

To agree with Jolt 100% : CAP is a far cry from standard when it comes to uniforms.
And of course, congrats on the promotion. I hope that you find your many years as a minion cadet,  enjoyable
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 09:09:08 AM »

Hahaha, My Many years will only be around 3. I literally joined as a C.A.P. cadet a Day before my 18th birthday so That I could get the full aura of the Civil Air Patrol and see what the cadets go through. My wing Commander wishes me to transfer onto the senior side after basic  Encampment but I prefer to stay a cadet till im 21 and forced to change over.


And as far as my question goes, I talked with my Cadet Commander and he said that him and the Squadron Commander had talked about it before and they encourage the cadets to wear their "Service Dress" on Thursdays (Our Squadron Meeting Night) to help with Recruiting and the forth. We have to carry around Senior Member (Some Teachers and Older students like my Age) and cadet Member pamphlets (For the others).


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Copy sir, but Middle and Jr. High Schools are a very different environment, the average maturity level (of the other students) just isn't there yet.
Yeah, Middle and Jr High Schools arent that Mature in my area also, Good thing Im a Senior In High School xD, and My school has some Interest in the Military Like activities, Since there is not a JROTC Unit anywhere even relatively close to my School, Except for one at PCT, Which is a Bad unit from what I hear.
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2007, 11:04:31 AM »

Good on you, Mister Kendall!!  Keep up the good work and recruit.

Here, I've been trying for two years to get a unit started in my middle school built on the old School Squadron (or whatever it was called) program.  The kids would line up to join ... but the administration of the school and the system say that if the state won't pay for the teaching position and the AF/CAP won't pay for it, we can't have it.  My schedule doesn't allow me the liberty to conduct meetings after school; it would have to be a daily class, sort of a middle-school JROTC along CAP lines.  My presentation to the principal and school board was great!  But they claim they don't have the money to pay me to teach CAP...just social studies.

Sigh.

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2007, 11:07:45 AM »

Since there is not a JROTC Unit anywhere even relatively close to my School, Except for one at PCT, Which is a Bad unit from what I hear.

Well now cadet, that just sounds like recruiting potential waiting to happen.  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 01:41:42 PM »

Hahaha, My Many years will only be around 3. I literally joined as a C.A.P. cadet a Day before my 18th birthday so That I could get the full aura of the Civil Air Patrol and see what the cadets go through. My wing Commander wishes me to transfer onto the senior side after basic  Encampment but I prefer to stay a cadet till im 21 and forced to change over.

With all the "perks" and activities associated with being a Cadet...I'd stay in till I was 21 as well.    It may get a bit frustrating at times since there are some Officers who don't see a difference between a 14 year old Cadet and a 19 year old, and it may be tempting just to switch over to avoid some hassle, but stick it out and take advantage of as many opportunities as you can.    Good luck!
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2007, 06:28:37 AM »

If you can get your basic encampment and get yourself to a flight encampment and get your wings/private. Id say you are sitting pretty.
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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2007, 10:28:26 AM »

My wing Commander wishes me to transfer onto the senior side after basic  Encampment but I prefer to stay a cadet till im 21 and forced to change over.

Thats exactly what I would do. You only can be a cadet once, and a SM for the rest of your life...

I've seen a few cadets transition to flight officer grades, they are treated like cadets but don't get the full benefits of cadets like NCSA's etc IMHO

Resist the urge to join the darkside, although they have donuts... >:D ;)
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2007, 10:37:32 AM »

If you can get your basic encampment and get yourself to a flight encampment and get your wings/private. Id say you are sitting pretty.
You'd have to double check, but I think the flight activities are only for the under-18 y.o. cadets.
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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2007, 10:48:48 AM »

O-Flights cap out at 18 IIRC, not sure about other flight training though.
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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2007, 11:37:43 AM »

When I was the Deputy Commander for Cadets, I gave blanket permission to any Cadet to wear his uniform to schoool, as long as he/she carried recrutiment literature on their person and the school did not forbid it.

Capt. Lord

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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2007, 11:57:50 AM »

I'm very interested in flying, So If anyone can drop me a link to where I can check out about the age limits of the other flying trainings it would be well appreciated.
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« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2007, 12:09:25 PM »

CAPR 60-1 CAP FLIGHT MANAGEMENT

Quote from: CAPR 60-1
2-6. a. (2) CAP cadets under 18 years of age may participate in CAP flight activities in the following categories:
(a) Cadet orientation flights conducted in accordance with appropriate CAP regulations. CAP cadets 18 years of age or older may not fly on cadet orientation flights.
(b) Other flights when approved by the unit commander and the PIC is cadet orientation pilot qualified.


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Mike Johnston
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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2007, 12:18:18 PM »

I see, Hmmm Thats weird. It says that Cadets over 18 cant go on the O-Flight, but then the next requirement says that AFROTC Are allowed onto them.

Pardon me if Im wrong, But Isnt AFROTC technically 18 year olds? Since it doesnt refer to AFJROTC I don't believe that makes much sense :S

Weird CAP Regulations.
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« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2007, 01:09:37 PM »

AFROTC o-flights are separate program from CAP cadet o-flights.
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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2007, 03:36:57 PM »

AFROTC o-flights are separate program from CAP cadet o-flights.

There are some Cap units that don't fly their own cadets at all, but when the weather gets nice they are in the air flying ROTC around.  Makes me sick! 
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Ford73Diesel
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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2007, 10:20:53 AM »

I joined CAP when I was 13 and never been on a CAP o-flight. Now I'm 18, so I guess I never will............ :'(
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FO Chris Kendall
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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2007, 12:05:17 PM »

I joined CAP when I was 13 and never been on a CAP o-flight. Now I'm 18, so I guess I never will............ :'(

You and I can wallow in missing our chance at O-Flights together :P
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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2007, 12:38:22 PM »

There is a precarious nature in that some CAP units are isolated or have cumbersome access to aircraft to fly cadets.

I have had to drive cadets some near 300 miles to get them O-flights before.  

It, however, can be done. 

Is there not a type of flight that can position a CAP aircraft for O-Flights?  If so, it needs to be utilized in my, and other, areas.

As I see it it should be possible to gather the cadets of several units and make a day of it.

As for uniform "classes," I recall people using these terms when I first joined.  Most of them were Army prior service.  It is more or less a "short hand" they use.  Everyone seemed to know what was being said.

Still, "service dress" isn't all that difficult to say.  It's like when someone types "'bout" instead of "about."   What time or energy does it save to type it when it has the same number of characters?  By the same tolken, what time does it serve to say "Class B uniform" instead of "service dress."

Well, that is neither here nor there. 
 
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