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Майор Хаткевич
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« on: September 27, 2013, 02:45:43 AM »

http://gizmodo.com/nyt-faas-new-electronic-device-rules-to-go-into-effe-1369885400/1407454784/@caseychan


About time!
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 05:26:43 AM »

Advisory Committee.. the old man has to buy off on it.
That's like trying to convince your dad that the Camaro is a good option .. when your 16. :)
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 12:19:27 PM »

You know that an Advisory Committee at the FDA recommended toxicity warning lables on Acetaminophen (Tylenol) in 1977...took the FDA 32 years to implement:
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In 1977, an expert panel convened by the FDA issued urgently worded advice, saying it was “obligatory” to put a warning on the drug’s label that it could cause “severe liver damage.” After much debate, the FDA added the warning 32 years later.
http://www.propublica.org/article/tylenol-mcneil-fda-use-only-as-directed

So...see ya in 3 decades or so when I can use my Kindle during takeoff.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 02:18:37 PM »

You know that an Advisory Committee at the FDA recommended toxicity warning lables on Acetaminophen (Tylenol) in 1977...took the FDA 32 years to implement:
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In 1977, an expert panel convened by the FDA issued urgently worded advice, saying it was “obligatory” to put a warning on the drug’s label that it could cause “severe liver damage.” After much debate, the FDA added the warning 32 years later.
http://www.propublica.org/article/tylenol-mcneil-fda-use-only-as-directed

So...see ya in 3 decades or so when I can use my Kindle during takeoff.

And by then they will have been declared a terrorist device because some terrorist, somewhere, used a Kindle as part of a bomb.
So you won't be allowed to have it on the plane anyway! >:D
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 04:48:32 PM »

By then we'll all be flying naked anyway...
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 05:04:30 PM »

By then we'll all be flying naked anyway...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/united-airlines-exploring-viability-of-stacking-th,2841/
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 05:16:17 PM »

LOL, I wouldn't put it past them to actually do that at IAD :)
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 05:24:37 PM »

If it meant that I could keep my shoes on, why not?
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »

Anyone consistently "forget" to power-off their cell phone in CAP or GA flying?
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 06:15:10 PM »

Anyone consistently "forget" to power-off their cell phone in CAP or GA flying?
NEVER, not me, nope.   >:D
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 06:21:15 PM »

Even when it's off. It's not off. The whole thing is ludicrous. 

Ever use a tone sniffer around an iPad, phone, etc?

They're all leaking like the Titanic.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 06:27:30 PM »

Even when it's off. It's not off. The whole thing is ludicrous. 

Ever use a tone sniffer around an iPad, phone, etc?

They're all leaking like the Titanic.

For those of us not named Jason Bourne, what did you say?  A tone sniffer sounds like something you'd find in the back of a Mad Magazine along with the x-ray glasses.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »


Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 08:45:46 PM »


Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.


As someone who uses one of those just everyday, there's a reason there's a 60 Hz filter on the probe, floresant lights...
They also find motors and just about anything else that uses electrical power.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 08:51:46 PM »

Don't tell me, but i'll bet that thing is either more than $20,000 or illegal for the majority of us, right?

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 09:29:17 PM »

Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.

As someone who uses one of those just everyday, there's a reason there's a 60 Hz filter on the probe, floresant lights...
They also find motors and just about anything else that uses electrical power.

Yeah, but a 60HZ filter wouldn't matter much on a jet where the power is 400HZ.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 10:47:18 PM »

Don't tell me, but i'll bet that thing is either more than $20,000 or illegal for the majority of us, right?

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Nah...every decent network or phone guy has one...$26 at Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1ZZ0NK1163

That exact model is $110
http://www.testersandtools.com/Tempo-701K-G-Tone-and-Probe-Kit.php
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 11:25:37 PM »

Don't tell me, but i'll bet that thing is either more than $20,000 or illegal for the majority of us, right?

 :angel:

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No...a good quality Fox and Hound/Test Tone Set will run you around $150 or so.  Depending on the bells and whistles.

It's primary purpose is to trace comm lines from the instrument to the punch down blocks and/or spice panel.
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 11:58:39 PM »

Fox & Hound, you say?

http://www.foxandhound.com/default.aspx

$2 drafts on Tuesdays.

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2013, 12:26:27 AM »

Don't tell me, but i'll bet that thing is either more than $20,000 or illegal for the majority of us, right?

 :angel:

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I've seen them in Home Depot, Orchard Supply Hardware and Lowes. Overpriced, but they're there.
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2013, 12:29:45 AM »

Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.

As someone who uses one of those just everyday, there's a reason there's a 60 Hz filter on the probe, floresant lights...
They also find motors and just about anything else that uses electrical power.

Yeah, but a 60HZ filter wouldn't matter much on a jet where the power is 400HZ.

Don't be so sure.  It's a pretty broad filter.  Not exactly a "precision instrument"!
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2013, 02:15:39 AM »

They also work great for finding the right aircraft on the ramp.. :)
Since it will only work right up close to the source.

So when you get to the airport with someone else, "here, use this, check ELT antennas".
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2013, 08:07:53 AM »

They also work great for finding the right aircraft on the ramp.. :)
Since it will only work right up close to the source.

So when you get to the airport with someone else, "here, use this, check ELT antennas".

I never thought about that! We have 3 generator/probe sets on the shelf at work, I'll have to remember to stop by the office next beacon hunt.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2013, 04:28:27 PM »

If it meant that I could keep my shoes on, why not?

TSA Precheck.  Shoes on, belt on, laptop in the case.  And 3 minutes to get through security.

The only way it gets better is flying on Air Flynn.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2013, 04:57:13 PM »

..unless Pre-check is not available an an Airport Near You.
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2013, 11:18:49 AM »


Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.

Where's the butt set?
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2013, 10:39:06 PM »


Take that on a plane.. it's great fun :)
You can find all kinds of leaking signals.

Where's the butt set?


You see that speaker on the probe?  You don't need at butt set with that.
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2013, 10:57:13 PM »

They also work great for finding the right aircraft on the ramp.. :)
Since it will only work right up close to the source.

So when you get to the airport with someone else, "here, use this, check ELT antennas".

Has anyone actually done this?
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2013, 11:29:48 PM »

It appears A2 did, as well as some others he knows, or he would not have posted that message...

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2013, 12:21:08 AM »

No reason it shouldn't work. I've received the audio from a nearby radio station on mine a number of times. (KFI, 50,000 watts of talk radio madness)
It's made to pick-up the signal generated by the Tone Unit being sent over phone wires.
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2013, 02:54:09 AM »

Interesting. Like you, I use one every day. I've never detected an RF signal; must experiment.
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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2013, 03:02:43 AM »

You can usually hear cell phones ramping up just before they ring, or when they are pinging a tower - you can hear them on poorly
shielded speakers as well.

Sadly(?) the days of being able to stick a tone probe in a bunch of cables and listen in on individual voice calls has faded
as voip and digital phones have become the norm.
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2013, 03:35:12 AM »

Sadly(?) the days of being able to stick a tone probe in a bunch of cables and listen in on individual voice calls has faded
as voip and digital phones have become the norm.

The Communications Act of 1934 takes a dim view on that! ;)
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2013, 03:38:04 AM »

Heh - "Just confidence checking the circuit...officer..."
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2013, 02:57:35 PM »

http://gizmodo.com/faa-personal-electronics-can-be-safely-used-in-all-pha-1455949764

Well, more like 30 days instead of 30 years.
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2013, 02:59:03 PM »

Apparently, according to this story and the FAA website FAQ page, it is now official (depending on the individual airline).

EDIT:  D'oh!  usafaux2004 beat me by 2 minutes!
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2013, 04:49:15 PM »

I don't envy flight crews this morning. :)

"But the FAA says.."

In response to the "Federal regulations prohibit the use of certain electronic devices ... during critical phases of flight. .. "

It's going to force airlines to address it real soon.
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2013, 06:00:14 PM »

Delta says 1 Nov for them.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2152

One less thing for the flight attendants to have to say anything about.

Looks like these will need some quick director's cuts:

Virgin America Safety Video #VXsafetydance

Delta's Holiday In-Flight Safety Video

Maybe next we can address the redundancy found in "Tampering with, destroying, or disabling" in regards to smoke detectors.
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2013, 07:17:48 PM »

Now if the FAA ever bans creativity ..

funny Airplane Safety Video // never seen before

Oh, and if I end up flying before Christmas, I'm so bringing lights and a power strip, for the seat back. ;)
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