Oldest A/C in CAP

[Maverick925]

I was just asked by a friend...what is the oldest aircraft we currently fly?  I know here in PAWG, we have a 182Q from 1978, but I'd think there are older aircraft somewhere in the organization.

Thanks

Captain Marc Eichler
AE/LL Officer
Philadelphia Composite Squadron 102

[cap235629]

I think you will find that the "oldest" airframes are in the Alaska wing..... many of the planes they fly haven't been produced in DECADES........

[Lord of the North]

Here is the first part of the list of corporate aircraft (including gliders)
N4793C   296   1951   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N5142G   481   1952   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N8964   538   1952   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N5347G   762   1953   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N31522   535   1955   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N5315G   980   1955   Dehavilland   DHC2   AK-001
N2770Z   211   1964   Schweizer   2-22E   SWR-001
N7771S   141   1965   Schweizer   2-33A   NHQ-888
N99859   37   1966   Schweizer   2-32   MI-002
N2474W   30   1967   Schweizer   2-33   NCR-001
N1191S   5   1967   Schweizer   2-33A   IL-001
N7539   169   1970   Schweizer   2-33A   MER-001
N17868   246   1972   Schweizer   2-33A   SWR-001
N9554G   U20601754   1972   Cessna   U206F   CA-389
N65809   311   1973   Schweizer   2-33   IL-001
N65846   336   1974   Schweizer   2-33A   RMR-001
N4728K   18263727   1975   Cessna   182P   UT-001
N2624H   444   1976   Schweizer   2-33A   AK-001
N2890H   550   1976   Schweizer   2-33A   SWR-001
N701DE   17268367   1977   Cessna   172N   DE-001
N236NY   17268975   1977   Cessna   172N   NY-001
N735CR   18265323   1977   Cessna   182Q   TX-148
N2037T   467   1977   Schweizer   2-33A   CA-428
N2045T   475   1977   Schweizer   2-33A   NHQ-888
N7304N   U20603607   1977   Cessna   U206G   CA-080
N7360C   U20603898   1977   Cessna   U206G   NER-001
N737NM   17269515   1978   Cessna   172N   NM-001
N759HT   18266013   1978   Cessna   182Q   CO-015
N1658A   18266315   1978   Cessna   182Q   HI-060
N759PJ   18266148   1978   Cessna   182Q   IN-001
N704DE   18266237   1978   Cessna   182Q   PA-338
N94800   18266512   1978   Cessna   182Q   PA-143
N759MY   18266114   1978   Cessna   182Q   SC-001
N759SP   18266225   1978   Cessna   182Q   WY-001
N2805H   515   1978   Schweizer   2-33A   NER-001
N9869C   R18200476   1978   Cessna   R182   ME-001
N9459M   U20604547   1978   Cessna   U206G   NV-064

[cap235629]

^^^^^^ TOLD YA!!!!!^^^^^^^

[Maverick925]

Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have?  I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...

Marc

[PHall]

Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have?  I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...

Marc

Wanna bet?  They're airworthy and flown a lot.

[Maverick925]

Gotta be tough to find spare parts for them...I mean 60 year old planes don't have a lot parts that are readily available.

[Jaison009]

They are heavily used for everything from SAR to O-Flights. I was a cadet in PCR-AK-009 Fairbanks Composite Squadron in the late 90s early 00s. We had a DHC-2, Cessna, and one of the Schweitzer gliders. Eielson AFB Composite Squadron used their DHC-2 regularly and in fact it is on their squadron patch. Flying in the DHC-2 and Schweitzer were awesome because they were opportunities that most people do not ever get. There is something pretty awesome about landing on floats/skis as well. 

Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have?  I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...

Marc

[Jaison009]

https://missions.capnhq.gov/aircraftstatus/index.cfm

Are those DHC-2's actually airworthy though, and anyplace on some CAP site I could see how many hours they have?  I'd also guess they aren't used for cadet o-flights...

Marc

[Al Sayre]

The Beaver is the aviation equivalent of an old Dodge Powerwagon.  It may not be real fast or real pretty, but it's tough as nails and will haul a metric buttload of stuff and will still take you places lesser planes wouldn't even consider.

[PHall]

Gotta be tough to find spare parts for them...I mean 60 year old planes don't have a lot parts that are readily available.

You would be surprised. Parts are still being made since there are still a whole bunch of these beasts still flying.

[Lord of the North]

Beavers are shown in bold

Aircraft Utilization for
FY2013                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Alaska                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                    
Tail No.   A1   A2   A3   A4   A5   A6   A7   A8   A9   A15   A18   A20   A99   B5   B9   B10   B11   B12   B13   B14   B15   B16   B17   B18   B20   B21   B99   C8   C9   C14   C16   C17   C18   C19   C20   C21   C22   C23   C24   C30   C99   C911   L1   Total
N185HS   13.7   -   -   -   15.9   -   -   -   7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.9   -   -   -   1.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   41
N185TW   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   0
N19MJ   -   -   -   -   40.4   -   -   -   9.4   2.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.6   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   55.3
N246CC   9.6   -   -   -   41.8   -   -   -   4.3   2.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   13   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   71.4
N31522   3   -   -   -   58.2   -   -   -   7.6   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   68.8
N378SP   26.4   -   -   -   11.3   -   -   -   3.8   1.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   4.6   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   3.6   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   51.1
N430CP   -   -   -   -   15.9   -   -   -   4.6   3.3   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   13.1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   44.1   1.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   82.7
N431CP   1.1   -   -   -   13.1   -   -   -   15.5   2.1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   52.5   1.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   86.2
N472CP   -   -   -   -   7.2   -   -   -   1.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.1   11
N4793C   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   0
N4950R   5.3   -   -   -   38   -   -   -   12.8   -   -   -   4.1   -   -   -   -   20.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   80.6
N5142G   -   -   -   -   15.3   -   -   -   16.2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   34.2
N5315G   2.3   -   -   -   16.7   -   -   -   12   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   3.3   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   34.3
N5347G   -   -   -   -   19.5   -   -   -   8   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   29.2
N61795   0.7   -   -   -   17.3   -   -   -   6.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   24.4
N6192U   -   -   -   -   21.6   -   -   -   24.1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   6.8   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.8   54.3
N6266E   39.1   -   -   -   33.8   -   -   -   8.9   4.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   15.2   -   -   -   -   3.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   0.5   105.8
N735EA   -   -   -   -   19.3   -   -   -   8.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.7   -   -   -   -   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   30.4
N79JP   39.9   -   -   -   30.5   -   -   -   7.3   5.4   -   14.4   -   -   -   -   -   6.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.9   -   -   40.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   147.8
N810CP   41.8   -   -   -   32.1   -   -   -   6.3   1.8   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   7.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   92.4
N8964   -   -   -   -   12   -   -   -   1.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   3.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   17.2
N914CP   1.6   -   -   -   13.3   -   -   -   8.2   18.3   -   7.4   -   -   -   -   -   17.8   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.1   -   -   12   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   80.7
N9484X   -   -   -   -   10   -   -   -   10.3   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   4.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2   27.2
N9547L   -   -   -   -   24.4   -   -   -   10.4   2.7   -   -   2.8   -   -   -   -   27.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   93.4   5.1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   166.2
N9635L   12.3   -   -   -   24   -   -   -   16.6   6.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1   18.8   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   79.4
N9679A   28.2   -   -   -   40.7   -   -   -   17.2   12.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.3   18.4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   120.4
N9694L   12.7   -   -   -   20.1   -   -   -   3.4   9.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   30   -   -   -   -   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   1.4   1.2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   79.7
N9772H   -   -   -   -   11.3   -   -   -   6.7   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   18
N9803H   -   -   -   -   16.3   -   -   -   -   10.9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   2.8   -   -   2.3   8.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   40.8
Corp. Total   237.7   -   -   -   620   -   -   -   238.8   85   -   21.8   6.9   -   -   -   -   144.7   -   -   -   -   10.9   -   -   -   -   9.3   -   -   196   97.8   -   2.7   52.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   6.4   1,730.50
Member   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   0
Total   237.7   -   -   -   620   -   -   -   238.8   85   -   21.8   6.9   -   -   -   -   144.7   -   -   -   -   10.9   -   -   -   -   9.3   -   -   196   97.8   -   2.7   52.5   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   6.4   1,730.50

[SarDragon]

Our oldest bird, N9554G, has 3066.7 on the Hobbs, and 2129.1 on the tach. It's a 1972 U206. I haven't been able to get to AKWG numbers.

[Walkman]

I think my first sortie when I got to MIWG was in N99859.

[bosshawk]

I probably had 200-300 hours in 54G and I can tell you that it flies better than some of the newer 182s.  My personal airplane is a 1965 Beech Debonair with over 9,000 hours on the airframe and it looks and flies like a much newer airplane.

[Mustang]

Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset. 

[vento]

Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset.

May I ask what Wing are you on?   :angel:

[NIN]

May I ask what Wing are you on?   :angel:

Mustang is definitely on the left wing.

[Mustang]

Surprised to learn that my wing has the oldest 182 in the corporate fleet, but I have a number of hours in that airplane and it flies great. It could certainly use an interior refurbishing and a panel refresh, but it's a viable asset.

May I ask what Wing are you on?   :angel:

I'll give you a hint: the one the oldest 182 in post #3 is assigned to.

[a2capt]

I wondered if someone would just look at that list..

[vento]

And that airplane is only is only 38 years old. Much younger than most airplanes in my local FBO... 

[a2capt]

Around here? Where? Cinema Air is long gone ;-)

[SilverEagle2]

May I ask what Wing are you on?   :angel:

Mustang is definitely on the left wing.

:clap: :clap: :clap: Now that sir was fuuuuuunny! And oh sooo true!

N4728K is a great flying bird. Also doubles as a superb glider tow plane.

[flyboy53]

I logged two sorties (four hours) as an observer in 42 Golf back in 1979 when I was with the Alaskan Wing. What an airplane. Those two sorties were flown two pilots up front and four observers in back and that aircraft could be flown from any type of airfield -- pavement, grass or gravel.

Anyone know what ever happened to the California Wing squadron that had the fleet of AT-6 Texans. I read about them as a cadet in an issue of Air Progress magazine and was always amazed.

[bosshawk]

Don't know about a CAWG Sq that had AT-6s, but can vouch that no such animal has existed since 1993, when I joined CAWG.

[AdAstra]

Members of San Fernando Senior Squadron 35 bought war surplus T-6s in the late 1950s or so. Photos of their flight line show 10-12 aircraft. The birds were all painted "rescue" yellow, and included military-style markings, nose art, etc. An article in the April 1967 issue of "The Golden Wing" (the wing's magazine at the time) proudly announced that "RESCUE" had been painted on the bottom of the wings of all "B" Flight's T-6s for easier identification of their mission.

The squadron moved to nearby Whiteman Airpark when San Fernando Airport was closed --- in order to plant more houses in the booming SFV. At some point (I still can't determine exactly when) the T-6s went to Condor Senior Squadron 135 based at Van Nuys Airport. I flew two sorties as observer, including one with Captain Cliff Shirpser over snow-covered Mount San Gorgonio, at 11,503' the highest peak in Southern California.

Around 2008-9, California Wing deactivated the CAP squadron, but it continues today as "The Condor Squadron", "attacking" the USS Lane Victory on its day cruises out of San Pedro Harbor, and performing memorial fly-overs for events throughout Southern California. Long gone are the rescue markings, and today the planes sport a variety of military markings including WWII-era Luftwaffe.

[a2capt]

2009? I can't find charter # 135 in any CAPWATCH data that I have stashed.

Though they are listes as of April 2001, but in December it's gone.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413014514/http://cawg.cap.gov/html/Cunits/cunit1.htm

[AdAstra]

You are absolutely right, a2capt! Squadron 135 was gone by 2002. For some reason, I associated the deactivation with Col Parris' tenure as wing commander, when really it was Col Myrick's first term. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed are now gone....

And "they" are right: nothing ever disappears from the Internet. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed on the locator are now gone....

[PHall]

You are absolutely right, a2capt! Squadron 135 was gone by 2002. For some reason, I associated the deactivation with Col Parris' tenure as wing commander, when really it was Col Myrick's first term. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed are now gone....

And "they" are right: nothing ever disappears from the Internet. Interesting to note that seven of the 17 squadrons listed on the locator are now gone....

At one time there were SEVEN squadrons on or within 1 mile of Van Nuys Airport. Col Myrick closed and or consoladated a number of those units.
Some, like the Condor Squadron, were private flying clubs that pretended to be CAP units so they could fly on the Air Force's dime.

[sardak]

Members of San Fernando Senior Squadron 35 bought war surplus T-6s in the late 1950s or so. Photos of their flight line show 10-12 aircraft. The birds were all painted "rescue" yellow, and included military-style markings, nose art, etc. An article in the April 1967 issue of "The Golden Wing" (the wing's magazine at the time) proudly announced that "RESCUE" had been painted on the bottom of the wings of all "B" Flight's T-6s for easier identification of their mission.

Mike

[SKYKING607]

Kinda looks like ol' Cliff Shirpsher's (sp?) plane.

[sardak]

^^It is Cliff's, from a long time ago, in a galaxy...

Mike

[PHall]

I've got a few hours in the back seat of that bird.   Never, ever tell Cliff to hold it steady for a minute so you can take a drink of water.
That and make darn sure your shoulder harness is tight!