Group CC claims

[Critical AOA]

It is National HQ that has the responsibility to conduct background investigations and verify prior service records.  All of these amateur private dicks snooping around frequently due to personality conflicts, jealousy or personal vendettas need to mind their own business. 

[Stonewall]

It is National HQ that has the responsibility to conduct background investigations and verify prior service records.  All of these amateur private dicks snooping around frequently due to personality conflicts, jealousy or personal vendettas need to mind their own business.

Meh, your mileage may vary, but it becomes all of our business if something is askew and we ignore it.  In this case, the individual apparently contradicted himself as it relates to his military service.  Granted, simply asking the individual up front, face to face, is likely the easiest way to clarify things, but to conduct a due diligence check for the better of CAP and all involved is not "snooping around".  Following an individual, stalking them on Facebook, or asking friends and family about him may be considered snooping around.  But it's called FOIA for a reason.

[Critical AOA]

One also has to be careful of their own misinterpretation of someone's statements and stories or unintentional misleading statements made by others.  For instance, here is a brief statement I could make:

"When I was in the US Army I made several parachute jumps with Army Rangers and Green Berets."

How would you interpret that statement?  Would some people think I was claiming to be involved in Special Forces or at the very least Airborne qualified?  If you were to search my service record and look for this information, you would find out that I never went to jump school and certainly was never SF.  You would think I was a liar and might start spreading that rumor.  You would be wrong.

Here is a more descriptive statement.

"While I was in the Army stationed at Hunter AAF in Georgia I started skydiving at a civilian operation nearby.  There were several Rangers who jumped there as well and I made several jumps with a few of them.  Later, I transferred to Korea and was a member of the parachute club at Camp Humphreys.  A couple of the Green Berets from the unit in Seoul would jump with us occasionally and I jumped with them as well."

They are both true statements.  Oh BTW, I also jumped with Golden Knights.  This statement is also open to interpretation. One was a former Knight at the time and the other became one later on.  Just be careful of what you call a lie and how you pursue the situation.  Now if I was intentionally being misleading to give the wrong impression, then I am being disingenuous. If however, you jump to conclusions as to what I meant, you are in the wrong. 

Tread softly when you go on a campaign against someone.

[ol'fido]

For the OP: Did this person's performance suddenly drop off in the last few months or was it always subpar?

If it suddenly dropped off, what difference does his military background make?

If it was always an issue, why wasn't it looked at sooner.

I hate military fakers and if you don't do some due diligence BEFORE you select someone for a command, you only have yourself to blame. OTOH, if this person has never made a big issue of his service,why is it the main issue  now? Seems like his performance as group cc should be the main issue.

[flyboy53]

Me, too.

But getting confrontational with him at this stage isn't really going to be productive. The real test is whether the higher headquarters is aware of his lapses in leadership and if there is a plan in the wings to replace him. I think that's the bigger issue and probably the most expedient way of getting rid of him because -- by what you described -- I don't think he'll be around much after he is replaced as the group commander.

As far as the Air Force service claims, you need to elaborate on your information. I have a little bit of difficulty with what you described as the contact with NPRC. You see that is done with a Standard Form 180 -- which means that your group commander had to sign the request for the records. NOBODY else has that authority, so I want to know who said that the request came back empty.

And, depending on when he served, his records may not be at NPRC but may be instead at ARPC or possibly even with the Adjutant General of the state where you live.

[NCRblues]

Me, too.

But getting confrontational with him at this stage isn't really going to be productive. The real test is whether the higher headquarters is aware of his lapses in leadership and if there is a plan in the wings to replace him. I think that's the bigger issue and probably the most expedient way of getting rid of him because -- by what you described -- I don't think he'll be around much after he is replaced as the group commander.

As far as the Air Force service claims, you need to elaborate on your information. I have a little bit of difficulty with what you described as the contact with NPRC. You see that is done with a Standard Form 180 -- which means that your group commander had to sign the request for the records. NOBODY else has that authority, so I want to know who said that the request came back empty.

And, depending on when he served, his records may not be at NPRC but may be instead at ARPC or possibly even with the Adjutant General of the state where you live.

It's called the freedom of information act, anyone can request the public records of service men and women.

Anyway, he was confronted on Friday. He was presented the letter from the NPRC that said they found nothing with his name attached. He refused to produce any proof and stormed out of the building.

[flyboy53]

Me, too.

But getting confrontational with him at this stage isn't really going to be productive. The real test is whether the higher headquarters is aware of his lapses in leadership and if there is a plan in the wings to replace him. I think that's the bigger issue and probably the most expedient way of getting rid of him because -- by what you described -- I don't think he'll be around much after he is replaced as the group commander.

As far as the Air Force service claims, you need to elaborate on your information. I have a little bit of difficulty with what you described as the contact with NPRC. You see that is done with a Standard Form 180 -- which means that your group commander had to sign the request for the records. NOBODY else has that authority, so I want to know who said that the request came back empty.

And, depending on when he served, his records may not be at NPRC but may be instead at ARPC or possibly even with the Adjutant General of the state where you live.

It's called the freedom of information act, anyone can request the public records of service men and women.

Anyway, he was confronted on Friday. He was presented the letter from the NPRC that said they found nothing with his name attached. He refused to produce any proof and stormed out of the building.

Than that is a totally different matter and someone should begin a 2B action.

[Private Investigator]

One also has to be careful of their own misinterpretation of someone's statements and stories or unintentional misleading statements made by others.  For instance, here is a brief statement I could make:

"When I was in the US Army I made several parachute jumps with Army Rangers and Green Berets."

How would you interpret that statement?  Would some people think I was claiming to be involved in Special Forces or at the very least Airborne qualified?  If you were to search my service record and look for this information, you would find out that I never went to jump school and certainly was never SF.  You would think I was a liar and might start spreading that rumor.  You would be wrong.

Here is a more descriptive statement.

"While I was in the Army stationed at Hunter AAF in Georgia I started skydiving at a civilian operation nearby.  There were several Rangers who jumped there as well and I made several jumps with a few of them.  Later, I transferred to Korea and was a member of the parachute club at Camp Humphreys.  A couple of the Green Berets from the unit in Seoul would jump with us occasionally and I jumped with them as well."

They are both true statements.  Oh BTW, I also jumped with Golden Knights.  This statement is also open to interpretation. One was a former Knight at the time and the other became one later on.  Just be careful of what you call a lie and how you pursue the situation.  Now if I was intentionally being misleading to give the wrong impression, then I am being disingenuous. If however, you jump to conclusions as to what I meant, you are in the wrong. 

Tread softly when you go on a campaign against someone.

That is a very good point indeed.   :clap:

[Private Investigator]

... I have known this group CC for about 4 years and he is a nice person and is pretty dedicated to CAP. He is over the weight limit for AF style, so he wears corporate with CAP awards only on it of course.

Over the past few months though, he has been slipping. Making poor choices about staff or disappearing for a few weeks at a time. Enough that people have started to notice and question things about him. ...

How long has he been a Group Commander? It is a tough assignment and most is burnt out in 24 months unless you inherit a really good Group.

Of course YMMV