Level IV?

[Luis R. Ramos]

How do you read the requirement for Level IV that states "Serve as Director... or Yeager Award dated..."?

As I read the required regulation, sometimes I read it as counseling someone on getting their Yeager Award, sometimes as just that, having been awarded the Yeager. I know this question sounds silly as it is straightforward, but... I still have the question? From what I have also read in this board, I think it is the later, having been awarded the Yeager.

Thank you,

Flyer

[EMT-83]

The current Level 4 requirement is director or staff member of an approved activity AND one of the following: Yeager or AE project or presentation to a non-CAP group.

This changes next month, where the Yeager will be a requirement for Level 3.

Level 4 will require director or staff member of an approved activity AND one of the following: AE project or presentation to a non-CAP group.

Edit to attach PD chart effective 31 March.

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EMT-83:

Great chart. A small correction is needed, though.

The TIG listed with regard to FO/TFO/SFO time is incorrect. TFO counts toward 1st Lt, not Capt. SFO counts toward Capt, not Maj. (FO counts toward 2d Lt, but isn't listed since it counts as SM time.)
See Figure 2 in CAPR 35-5.

[SarDragon]

Correct. You can't spend 3 years as SFO.

[LGM30GMCC]

Correct. You can't spend 3 years as SFO.

Sure you could...

Get your Spaatz Award before age 18. Go SM on your 18th Birthday (SFO). You'll get exactly 3 years as SFO.

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Correct. You can't spend 3 years as SFO.

Sure you could...

Get your Spaatz Award before age 18. Go SM on your 18th Birthday (SFO). You'll get exactly 3 years as SFO.

And none of it counts toward Maj.

[SarDragon]

Correct. You can't spend 3 years as SFO.

Sure you could...

Get your Spaatz Award before age 18. Go SM on your 18th Birthday (SFO). You'll get exactly 3 years as SFO.

Given the processing time for the Form 12, no matter how quickly NHQ pumps it through, SFO can't happen that quickly. You're not a SM until it's gone through NHQ. Can't be a S/T/FO as a cadet.

[coudano]

There are other ways,

enlist in the military (and ship) at age 17 or whatever

[Duke Dillio]

I just noted something curious....  As I read CAPR 39-2, if you are a cadet under 18 and you get married (which is legal in most states), as soon as you have a marriage certificate, your cadet membership goes away and you are not eligible for senior membership.  That's my interpretation.  Am I reading it right?

[SarDragon]

No, you become a senior at 17. That's one of the exceptions.

[EMT-83]

EMT-83:

Great chart. A small correction is needed, though.

The TIG listed with regard to FO/TFO/SFO time is incorrect. TFO counts toward 1st Lt, not Capt. SFO counts toward Capt, not Maj. (FO counts toward 2d Lt, but isn't listed since it counts as SM time.)
See Figure 2 in CAPR 35-5.

Screwed that up, didn't I?

Here's an updated chart.

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I just noted something curious....  As I read CAPR 39-2, if you are a cadet under 18 and you get married (which is legal in most states), as soon as you have a marriage certificate, your cadet membership goes away and you are not eligible for senior membership.  That's my interpretation.  Am I reading it right?

You are not reading it right. Cadets who marry before their 18th birthday may remain cadets until they reach their 18th birthday. At that point, one of two things are supposed to happen. Either they submit a CAPF 12 with fingerprint card and join as a senior member, or the commander submits a CAPF 2b terminating the membership. Same choices if a cadet marries after their 18th birthday.

[ßτε]

No, you become a senior at 17. That's one of the exceptions.

I think you are confusing this with the exception for members of the AD military. There is no exception for married members under 18, since they can remain cadets until their 18th birthday.

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How do you read the requirement for Level IV that states "Serve as Director... or Yeager Award dated..."?

As I read the required regulation, sometimes I read it as counseling someone on getting their Yeager Award, sometimes as just that, having been awarded the Yeager. I know this question sounds silly as it is straightforward, but... I still have the question? From what I have also read in this board, I think it is the later, having been awarded the Yeager.

Thank you,

Flyer

Where, exactly, did you find the wording you are referring to?

[Luis R. Ramos]

CAPR 50-17, Senior Member Professional Development Program pages 21-25...

Flyer

[SarDragon]

CAP REGULATION 50-17
28 DECEMBER 2012

Current Level III requirements:

CHAPTER 5–LEVEL III, MANAGEMENT
5-1. Management. CAP designed professional development at this level for senior members serving as squadron , group, or wing commanders and for staff officers. Criteria for completion of this level include:
a. Complete Level II training.
b. One year of experience in a command or staff position.
c. Attain the senior rating in any specialty track.
d. Attend two wing, region, or national conferences. These conferences afford CAP members a broad view of the CAP corporation's organization and expose them to the issues confronting CAP. Attendance at a region/wing aerospace education conference can also be credited for one conference attendance. Conferences attended prior to entry into Level III count toward fulfillment of this requirement.
e. Complete the Corporate Learning Course (CLC).
f. Earn the Brig General Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager Award. This requirement is effective 31 March 2013.

Current Level IV requirements:

CHAPTER 6–LEVEL IV, COMMAND AND STAFF
6 - 1. Command and Staff. CAP designed this level for members who desire to become high-level leaders in CAP. Criteria for completion of this level include:
a. Complete Level III professional development.
b. Attain a master rating in any specialty track.
c. Complete one of the following:
(1) Prepare and deliver a CAP-related presentation to a non-CAP group.
(2) Conduct a hands-on unit aerospace education program, or an external aerospace  education classroom program.
d. Complete Region Staff College (RSC) or its approved PME equivalent (Attachment 2).
e. Occupy a command or staff position for a total of 2 years of service to CAP.
f. Serve in a director or staff member capacity in a CAP approved course or serve as a director or staff member of a national, region, or wing conference (reference Attachment 4).

[EMT-83]

So the $64 question is... if someone completed Level 3 under the current requirements (which do not include the Yeager), must he earn the Yeager before being awarded Level 4?

Another example of a poorly written regulation.

[Eclipse]

6F - was actually relaxed a few years ago, it used to be director only, which held a lot of people back.

Now just about anything you do in a training capacity counts.

[Eclipse]

So the $64 question is... if someone completed Level 3 under the current requirements (which do not include the Yeager), must he earn the Yeager before being awarded Level 4?

Another example of a poorly written regulation.

No.  Done is done.

For what it's worth, Yeager takes about 15 minutes, and that assumes you stop for a coffee break.

[EMT-83]

6F - was actually relaxed a few years ago, it used to be director only, which held a lot of people back.

Now just about anything you do in a training capacity counts.

YMMV. NER requires director-level participation.

Edit: Disregard, I was thinking Level 5.