Level IV?

[Eclipse]

^ They have a Supplement to 50-17 to that effect?

[SarDragon]

Level V requires Director level participation.

[Eclipse]

Level V requires Director level participation.

CAPR 50-17, Page 26 Dated Dec 2012
"Complete Level IV.
b. Perform in a command or staff position for a total of 3 years of service to CAP.
c. Serve in a director or staff member capacity in a CAP approved course (reference
Attachment 4). This staffing requirement is in addition to the staffing requirement found at
paragraph 6-1.
d. Attend National Staff College or complete its approved PME equivalent as listed in
Attachment 2.
e. Mentor a junior senior member officer, flight officer or NCO through the Technician
Rating in their specialty track (effective 31 March 2013)."

As I recall this was relaxed at the same time (2009) as Level IV.

[ßτε]

Level V used to require director level participation.

[SarDragon]

Well hush ma mouf!

I posted it, and still screwed it up. Shoot me. 

[EMT-83]

Supplement or not, if you submit being a staff member for SLS for your Level 5, it won't get approved.

I've specifically been told director level. Personally, I agree. Level 5 should required a bit more effort than a half-hour of Death by PowerPoint.

[Eclipse]

Supplement or not, if you submit being a staff member for SLS for your Level 5, it won't get approved.

Just like other polices of this nature, that's clearly not allowed.   The regulation is very specific in this regard,
lists a page full of situations it accepts, and my understanding is that the intent of relaxing the requirement
was specifically because directorships for these kinds of activities, in many wings, are few and far between,
thus causing an unfair gateway to Level V for members.

Maybe it's a test - by Level V a member should know enough about CAP to understand how these things work, and
where and when a wing is allowed to add requirements (which is almost never).

We can argue all day long about the subjective nature of "fit" or "ready" for promotion, but the PD levels >are<
automatic ticket punches based on work done.  Substantiate and approve.  There's not supposed to be anything subjective
about it because all the work done or required is already tracked or approved elsewhere.

[GroundHawg]

EMT-83:

Great chart. A small correction is needed, though.

The TIG listed with regard to FO/TFO/SFO time is incorrect. TFO counts toward 1st Lt, not Capt. SFO counts toward Capt, not Maj. (FO counts toward 2d Lt, but isn't listed since it counts as SM time.)
See Figure 2 in CAPR 35-5.

Screwed that up, didn't I?

Here's an updated chart.

Flight Officer requires 3 months not 6 like 2LT

[PHall]

Well hush ma mouf!

I posted it, and still screwed it up. Shoot me. 

Okay, go stand against that wall over there.

[RogueLeader]

Well hush ma mouf!

I posted it, and still screwed it up. Shoot me. 

Okay, go stand against that wall over there.

Ready... Aim...  Shoot, out of ammo.

[EMT-83]

EMT-83:

Great chart. A small correction is needed, though.

The TIG listed with regard to FO/TFO/SFO time is incorrect. TFO counts toward 1st Lt, not Capt. SFO counts toward Capt, not Maj. (FO counts toward 2d Lt, but isn't listed since it counts as SM time.)
See Figure 2 in CAPR 35-5.

Screwed that up, didn't I?

Here's an updated chart.

Flight Officer requires 3 months not 6 like 2LT

Six months from FO to TFO. Sorry, only so much text will fit in the little box.

[JeffDG]

Well hush ma mouf!

I posted it, and still screwed it up. Shoot me. 

Okay, go stand against that wall over there.

Ready... Aim...  Shoot, out of ammo.

I thought our motto was "Ready...Fire...Aim"

[LGM30GMCC]

The theory for CGOs for the USAF is that 2d Lt's and 1st Lt's are primarily technical experts and leading small teams (SFG and MXG types somewhat excluded.) Those with lots of people will generally have an SNCO to work with to help them with that, but your primary job your first 3.5 years or so is to become a technical expert. You are eligible for SOS when you are selected for Captain, about 6 months out. Captains start to work as staff officers or flight commanders (Flt/CC is generally a Capt billet). At this point they are starting to move from personal interactions issues to a bit of operational guidance/change for the organizations.

As for the college degrees, who knows why they have that as a requirement. That's a decision that I am sure makes some kind of sense at the O-6 or higher level. I try not to worry about those types of things too very much.

[ProdigalJim]

EMT-83:

Great chart. A small correction is needed, though.

The TIG listed with regard to FO/TFO/SFO time is incorrect. TFO counts toward 1st Lt, not Capt. SFO counts toward Capt, not Maj. (FO counts toward 2d Lt, but isn't listed since it counts as SM time.)
See Figure 2 in CAPR 35-5.

Screwed that up, didn't I?

Here's an updated chart.

Just FYI...I'm stealing this chart for tonight's meeting. Thanks for the help!!!  :clap: