New regs to match new LRADO structure

[Eclipse]

So, no more State Directors....

I was under the impression we'd see a whole round of updated regs to reflect the changes
in the CAP-USAF Liaison Structure, but we haven't seen much of anything beyond the briefing
presentation that indicates the changes.

Some CI and Eval schedules have been effected, what else has been changed officially?

For example, who certifies encampments now?

Etc., Etc.

[EMT-83]

Ditto on Spaatz testing. As Wing TCO, this has been dumped on my desk with no supporting regulation.

[LGM30GMCC]

I suspect with the governance changes (Which finally hit the Constitution and Bylaws) happening at the same time as the USAF re-org of CAP-USAF NHQ is a little swamped with 'Holy cow...what all needs to be up-dated/fixed, and how are we going to do it?'

For one, correct me if I'm wrong (NiN) but the CAP/CC could just approve the changes, but may want to at least run them by the NAC or whatever it's called to get some input. Whatever General Carr does though is going to set some kinds of precedent that could have some long-ranging cultural implications for how we regulate ourselves. I'm betting (and hoping) NHQ is treading carefully as they figure all this out.

[cm42]

Ditto on Spaatz testing. As Wing TCO, this has been dumped on my desk with no supporting regulation.

Try the 52-16. It then points you to CAPP 52-13, as well as capmembers.com/spaatz. Hardly "no supporting regulation".

[EMT-83]

From CAPR 52-16:

5-13.Gen. Carl A. Spaatz Award Exams. The Cadet Program's highest honor, the Gen. Carl A. Spaatz Award, honors the first chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force and first chairman of the CAP National Board. The state director, or a CAP-USAF member designated by the state director (described below as the "test administrator"), administers the Gen. Carl A. Spaatz Award Exams.

[Eclipse]

Ditto on Spaatz testing. As Wing TCO, this has been dumped on my desk with no supporting regulation.

Try the 52-16. It then points you to CAPP 52-13, as well as capmembers.com/spaatz. Hardly "no supporting regulation".

Neither regulation reflects the current state of the program, 52-16 June 2011, CAPP 52-13 January 2008.

[lordmonar]

Unless you are working at wing....don't sweat it.

Anything that says "state director" or CAP-USAF gets tossed to the wing CC and he has to find out what needs to be done.

[Patterson]

Our CAP-RAPs always did the testing for Spaatz, since they are still around, I imagine nothing really changes.

Has anyone else  seen or heard anything about LRADO?

[Eclipse]

Our CAP-RAPs always did the testing for Spaatz, since they are still around, I imagine nothing really changes.

That's literally not how it will work - CAP-USAF will no longer be involved in Spaatz testing or certifying encampments.
And while you may have had RAPs doing the hands-on testing, the SD was the one who ultimately had to certify the Spaatz,
same goes for the Form 20 for encampments.  Those are just two of the more immediate and high-visibility jobs.

The CAP-RAPs are also being reduced, so between less people, and less mandate, the majority of these will fall to the
volunteer staff, which is fine, but the question remains who, and by what process.

There are any number or regs that call out "State Director" and "Liaison Region" - neither of these exist any more.
These things aren't just going to backfill themselves without defined responsibility and process, especially for those things
no one actually wants to do.

[JeffDG]

There are any number or regs that call out "State Director" and "Liaison Region" - neither of these exist any more.
These things aren't just going to backfill themselves without defined responsibility and process, especially for those things
no one actually wants to do.

While the SDs are indeed a thing of the past, the LRs are still there.

[Eclipse]

There are any number or regs that call out "State Director" and "Liaison Region" - neither of these exist any more.
These things aren't just going to backfill themselves without defined responsibility and process, especially for those things
no one actually wants to do.

While the SDs are indeed a thing of the past, the LRs are still there.

Yes, 16 of them for 52 wings, and with new responsibilities and defined functions.

[lordmonar]

Our CAP-RAPs always did the testing for Spaatz, since they are still around, I imagine nothing really changes.

That's literally not how it will work - CAP-USAF will no longer be involved in Spaatz testing or certifying encampments.
And while you may have had RAPs doing the hands-on testing, the SD was the one who ultimately had to certify the Spaatz,
same goes for the Form 20 for encampments.  Those are just two of the more immediate and high-visibility jobs.

The CAP-RAPs are also being reduced, so between less people, and less mandate, the majority of these will fall to the
volunteer staff, which is fine, but the question remains who, and by what process.

There are any number or regs that call out "State Director" and "Liaison Region" - neither of these exist any more.
These things aren't just going to backfill themselves without defined responsibility and process, especially for those things
no one actually wants to do.

If the REG say you have to do them and they state CAP-USAF or the SD had the responsibilities.....then it is the USAF that needs to define where these jobs are going to be done.

It is like you said.....no one wants to do them.

[Eclipse]

If the REG say you have to do them and they state CAP-USAF or the SD had the responsibilities.....then it is the USAF that needs to define where these jobs are going to be done.

Actually, all the USAF has to do is absolve themselves of the duty, once that's done, it's up to CAP to decide who take up the mantle on
the volunteer side.

Take Spaatz testing, for example - that used to be a function performed during business hours by someone paid for the job
with a travel budget.  Now it's a volunteer(s).

This becomes a much bigger deal if you are 20.99 years old, clock ticking, and no one knows who's supposed to do the testing, and neither can travel.

[lordmonar]

If the REG say you have to do them and they state CAP-USAF or the SD had the responsibilities.....then it is the USAF that needs to define where these jobs are going to be done.

Actually, all the USAF has to do is absolve themselves of the duty, once that's done, it's up to CAP to decide who take up the mantle on
the volunteer side.

Take Spaatz testing, for example - that used to be a function performed during business hours by someone paid for the job
with a travel budget.  Now it's a volunteer(s).

This becomes a much bigger deal if you are 20.99 years old, clock ticking, and no one knows who's supposed to do the testing, and neither can travel.

Just let the units do it.

[RiverAux]

If the REG say you have to do them and they state CAP-USAF or the SD had the responsibilities.....then it is the USAF that needs to define where these jobs are going to be done.

Actually, all the USAF has to do is absolve themselves of the duty, once that's done, it's up to CAP to decide who take up the mantle on

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