Level 3 and TIG requirement question

[Garibaldi]

No one seems to be able to point me in the right direction, so I'm asking everyone for their opinion/input.

I was promoted to Major in 2000, and left CAP in 2006 due to school. I recently rejoined and had my rank reinstated. Now, I was in the process of going through Level 4 to get to LTC. All I need is RSC or the equivalent and a Master in a specialty track. My big question is...

Do I need to wait any additional time, or does the fact that I was a Major for 6 years count as Time in Grade? My PDO doesn't know the answer, but suspects that I have to wait since there was a 6 year lapse, even though I had TIG before I left.

Help?

[Eclipse]

What does the eservices promotions module say? That will probably be the delimiter.

[ßτε]

I think this knowledgebase answer covers it. http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1512/kw/tig

[Garibaldi]

What does the eservices promotions module say? That will probably be the delimiter.

50-17 says 4 years as Major. Nothing about prior service.
39-2 says nothing helpful other than the former member must have been current in all aspects of the level/rank they want to regain.

So...I'm going to go with I've satisfied the TIG requirements and just need to do RSC and get a Master rating.

And thanks, BTE...that helped some. It's up to my CC to say yea or nay.

[Eclipse]

I would suggest having someone discuss this with the Region CC, or you can ask when you go to RSC (most Region CC's and staff
attend their respective RSC). He's the one with the final say, anyway.

[lordmonar]

So.....the answere is yes and no.

The commander (in this case I would suspect that it would be the Regional Commander) could count your six years TIG before your break in service....or he may consider part of it or none of it.....towards your promotion to Lt Col.

Since your current Date of Rank is the date your Major was reinstated E-service Promotions will not let you do it on-line.  You will have to do a paper CAPF2 (2a? I keep getting them confused) and send it up the chain....there is a space for you to make comments about the break of service and I would include any paper forms that show your original date of promotion and an explanation about why you had a break in service.

Good luck.

[EMT-83]

No one seems to be able to point me in the right direction, so I'm asking everyone for their opinion/input.

I was promoted to Major in 2000, and left CAP in 2006 due to school. I recently rejoined and had my rank reinstated. Now, I was in the process of going through Level 4 to get to LTC. All I need is RSC or the equivalent and a Master in a specialty track. My big question is...

Do I need to wait any additional time, or does the fact that I was a Major for 6 years count as Time in Grade? My PDO doesn't know the answer, but suspects that I have to wait since there was a 6 year lapse, even though I had TIG before I left.

Help?

For questions that he doesn't know the answer, your PDO should inquire at the next higher echelon. "I don't know" is only half an answer. The other half is ", but I'll find out".

[lordmonar]

For questions that he doesn't know the answer, your PDO should inquire at the next higher echelon. "I don't know" is only half an answer. The other half is ", but I'll find out".

+1 I don't fault a guy for not knowing......but he should be doing what you are doing now....asking those who should know.

[MSG Mac]

If you don't have the TIG according to E-services, send the promotion in electronically with a letter stating that you have prior service as a Major. But if I were still a Wing DP I would point out that you had the left CAP for your own reasons and that you always had the opportunity to be an inactive member and stay on the rolls. I would disapprove the promotion. Neither the RSC nor the Masters rating are effected by your grade

[RogueLeader]

If you don't have the TIG according to E-services, send the promotion in electronically with a letter stating that you have prior service as a Major. But if I were still a Wing DP I would point out that you had the left CAP for your own reasons and that you always had the opportunity to be an inactive member and stay on the rolls. I would disapprove the promotion. Neither the RSC nor the Masters rating are effected by your grade

Last I checked, if all three sections aren't green; you can not initiate the promotion electronicly. As I see it, he already has time in grade, just needs the rest of level 4 and whatever new requirements that have been added. Why he left (assuming it was voluntarily, and not induced) is irrelevant.

[Eclipse]

If you don't have the TIG according to E-services, send the promotion in electronically with a letter stating that you have prior service as a Major. But if I were still a Wing DP I would point out that you had the left CAP for your own reasons and that you always had the opportunity to be an inactive member and stay on the rolls. I would disapprove the promotion. Neither the RSC nor the Masters rating are effected by your grade

Last I checked, if all three sections aren't green; you can not initiate the promotion electronicly. As I see it, he already has time in grade, just needs the rest of level 4 and whatever new requirements that have been added. Why he left (assuming it was voluntarily, and not induced) is irrelevant.

Why.  Yes. 

But the fact that he left, very relevant.

My Region wants a narrative with what you've done and what you intend to do.  I would hazard that someone who had come back after a hiatus would be told he needed to reestablish himself for a while before that "last" promotion.  YMMV by Region.

[w7sar]

I have done several.  It's up to the command chain.  If the member is sincere (after all, life does sometimes get in the way of CAP) and of value to CAP (aren't we all), prior service counts.  Lt. Col. does require wing CC and region CC approval. Both can deny it for any reason.  Make your case, be sincere, press on -- unless there are hidden issues or other conflicts ...

[Garibaldi]

Nope, no hidden agenda or anything as to why I left. I was in college and I forgot to renew, and by the time life had slowed down enough for me to do so, it was 6 years gone. No animosity among the unit, in fact they were glad I came back. They wanted me to restart our ground team academy and get some interest going in ES again. Former commander was anti-ground team and was either punted or quit right before I came back.

E-services shows my promotion to Major effective December 2000. I had to re-do Level 1 to satisfy the new requirements that came about in my absence.

It's not a BIG issue yet, but it was on my mind. Thanks for the input.

[lordmonar]

MSG Mac's comments asside.....it is your region commander's call.  Send up the 2a and see what happens....it only costs you the time to fill out the paperwork.

[SarDragon]

MSG Mac's comments asside.....it is your region commander's call.  Send up the 2a Form 2 and see what happens....it only costs you the time to fill out the paperwork.

FTFY!

[Camas]

Do I need to wait any additional time, or does the fact that I was a Major for 6 years count as Time in Grade? My PDO doesn't know the answer, but suspects that I have to wait since there was a 6 year lapse, even though I had TIG before I left. Help?

It's going to depend on your date-of grade which may or may not be 2000. If the date is very recent you'll probably have to do the four years again from the new date - ref: CAPR 35-5 Para 3-8 Last sentence.

[Private Investigator]

No one seems to be able to point me in the right direction, so I'm asking everyone for their opinion/input.

I was promoted to Major in 2000, and left CAP in 2006 due to school. I recently rejoined and had my rank reinstated. Now, I was in the process of going through Level 4 to get to LTC. All I need is RSC or the equivalent and a Master in a specialty track. My big question is...

Do I need to wait any additional time, or does the fact that I was a Major for 6 years count as Time in Grade? My PDO doesn't know the answer, but suspects that I have to wait since there was a 6 year lapse, even though I had TIG before I left.

Help?

Your TIG started when you returned and your grade reinstated. When I was a Group Commander that was the way I did it.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Just like me. Not to Major but to Captain.

I became First Lieutenant in 1999 or so. I continued active until 2004, but never went to Captain since I had not finished Level 2.

Left in 2004 or 2005. Then rejoined in 2011. Was reinstated in grade to First Lt. This time I finished Level II very quickly. My commander (not me) initiated the promotion, pointing out that I had been First Lt for a long time. It went up the chain, and came down like a rock. "Have to wait TIG from the last time a member is promoted to First Lt." So, I continue as a First Lt, although TIG will be completed soon so I can reapply for Captain. Do not worry too much, the pay is the same. I have approved Level III in the meantime...

I would still say "send it up." Who knows? You may get lucky. The worst that can happen is, it comes down denied. No harm done...

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