Anyone know when the grade system for cadets changed? I am wondering about the addition of C/SMSgt and C/CMSgt and the deletion of C/FO and the gold pip?
The switch was 01 August 1999.My Mitchell was issued on 29 July 1999 and my Unit Commander gave me the option of staying a C/FO or waiting until August 1 to send in the paperwork to go directly to C/2d Lt
Quote from: MinnViking08 on June 24, 2012, 02:59:46 AMThe switch was 01 August 1999.My Mitchell was issued on 29 July 1999 and my Unit Commander gave me the option of staying a C/FO or waiting until August 1 to send in the paperwork to go directly to C/2d LtWhich one did you choose, sir?
I was never a c/FO. I was a c/WO. Don' remember when the switch was made. Just know I had a lot of fun as a gold pip.
Quote from: ol'fido on June 24, 2012, 12:55:35 PMI was never a c/FO. I was a c/WO. Don' remember when the switch was made. Just know I had a lot of fun as a gold pip.Me too but I wanted to go from c/wo to c/2lt fast because of the cool shoulder boards! I was a c/wo in 1977 or 78...
I too am a LT with a '1' to start my CAP ID.
My CAPID starts with 229, and my SSN starts with 012. I joined in '97 and was converted from the SSN version to a CAPID.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on June 27, 2012, 03:44:55 AMMy CAPID starts with 229, and my SSN starts with 012. I joined in '97 and was converted from the SSN version to a CAPID.Since you joined after 1994, your CAPID was assigned sequentially by join date and was not based on your SSN. It looks like from 1994 to 2000, the CAPID was used internally at NHQ and not used on membership cards or membership reports.
Quote from: ßτε on June 27, 2012, 05:07:35 AMQuote from: jimmydeanno on June 27, 2012, 03:44:55 AMMy CAPID starts with 229, and my SSN starts with 012. I joined in '97 and was converted from the SSN version to a CAPID.Since you joined after 1994, your CAPID was assigned sequentially by join date and was not based on your SSN. It looks like from 1994 to 2000, the CAPID was used internally at NHQ and not used on membership cards or membership reports.What do you have from that time frame that has the CAPID?
Ned Don't feel old, including a cadet ID, I've had five serial numbers.
When I first turned to the Dark Side in 1976, I declined to provide CAP with my SSN and was assigned a CAPID that was simply my six digit cadet serial number preceded by three zeros. I was able to keep it that way for several years until provision of SSN became mandatory with the onset of our CPP and the old Cadet Leader cards. (Yes, I'm a certified 'leader'. It says so on this card!")At some point they assigned me a CAPID, 145xxx.I'm really getting old . . .
Quote from: Ned on June 27, 2012, 04:04:01 PMWhen I first turned to the Dark Side in 1976, I declined to provide CAP with my SSN and was assigned a CAPID that was simply my six digit cadet serial number preceded by three zeros. I was able to keep it that way for several years until provision of SSN became mandatory with the onset of our CPP and the old Cadet Leader cards. (Yes, I'm a certified 'leader'. It says so on this card!")At some point they assigned me a CAPID, 145xxx.I'm really getting old . . .Ned ...You think YOU'RE getting old? My CAPID is 115xxx.And I was out for 12 years before rejoining ...Jack
Huh. My cadet number, issued in 1984, was 000914475. Then, as I was gearing up to go to college, I had to get a Social Security number, so I converted my CAPSN to that number.And then my CAPID came along -- starting with 113. It has nothing but 1s and 3s in it, which is funny, since my lucky number is 13.My SSN has nothing to do with it, as it starts with 234. (Guess the state in which it was issued.)
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on December 25, 2012, 05:00:22 AMHuh. My cadet number, issued in 1984, was 000914475. Then, as I was gearing up to go to college, I had to get a Social Security number, so I converted my CAPSN to that number.And then my CAPID came along -- starting with 113. It has nothing but 1s and 3s in it, which is funny, since my lucky number is 13.My SSN has nothing to do with it, as it starts with 234. (Guess the state in which it was issued.)West Virginia....
Well, I must have missed out. I was a cadet with a 656xxx CAPSN in 1968-1973. I transitioned to SM when I joined the USMC, but don't remember when my original SN went away. Nat'l has no record "that far back". I have my Mitchell certificate, but they weren't numbered. Now I have 341xxx.
Perhaps we should start the Order of the Gold Pip. Less exclusive than the Spaatz Association but more fun. Something like Mensa vs. the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
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I know I'm bumping this thread, but I have a question. What did a C/FO do? Obviously, C/NCOs were flight sergeants and the like, and C/officers did officer stuff, but I can't think of what a C/FO might have done.
Quote from: ol'fido on December 02, 2013, 12:58:36 AMPerhaps we should start the Order of the Gold Pip. Less exclusive than the Spaatz Association but more fun. Something like Mensa vs. the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.I resemble that remark. Quote from: SARDOC on December 02, 2013, 12:44:01 AM106XXX1069xx
With me sitting at 331XXX, when I saw the 145's, I thought.. "wow, that's half.. " now, the newest to be added to our unit yesterday just cracked 5170XX. Pretty soon it will be double what I was.
Quote from: a2capt on June 26, 2012, 11:41:57 PMWith me sitting at 331XXX, when I saw the 145's, I thought.. "wow, that's half.. " now, the newest to be added to our unit yesterday just cracked 5170XX. Pretty soon it will be double what I was.How about C-9114951?
Functionally they were no different than a C/2d Lt. The Leadership 2000 text might have hinted at the grade as an officer in training. Also note that at the time the C/NCO grades ended at C/MSgt with the Doolittle and Goddard achievements.
Quote from: Grumpy on November 24, 2014, 04:30:15 AMQuote from: a2capt on June 26, 2012, 11:41:57 PMWith me sitting at 331XXX, when I saw the 145's, I thought.. "wow, that's half.. " now, the newest to be added to our unit yesterday just cracked 5170XX. Pretty soon it will be double what I was.How about C-9114951?Wow Phil, if that was your cadet ID, you're older than I am.Or 691508?
I joined in May of 1960. my Cadet SN was C-33-3439.
Typically the golden pip was when we became flight commanders. As Mike noted we did not have past C/MSgt. You typically were flight commander until C/1LT and then you started working on staff. I became XO as a C/1LT, Cadet Commander as C/Capt, rotated out to Dept. Cadet Commander as C/Maj-C/LTCol to allow other officers to gain experience as XO and CC, attend additional encampments as staff, focus on Eaker and Spaatz, and then I moved to a smaller squadron in MO that I helped found where I was Cadet Commander again.Quote from: TexasCadet on December 01, 2013, 08:25:50 PMI know I'm bumping this thread, but I have a question. What did a C/FO do? Obviously, C/NCOs were flight sergeants and the like, and C/officers did officer stuff, but I can't think of what a C/FO might have done.
Quote from: Jaison009 on December 02, 2013, 01:30:27 AMTypically the golden pip was when we became flight commanders. As Mike noted we did not have past C/MSgt. You typically were flight commander until C/1LT and then you started working on staff. I became XO as a C/1LT, Cadet Commander as C/Capt, rotated out to Dept. Cadet Commander as C/Maj-C/LTCol to allow other officers to gain experience as XO and CC, attend additional encampments as staff, focus on Eaker and Spaatz, and then I moved to a smaller squadron in MO that I helped found where I was Cadet Commander again.Quote from: TexasCadet on December 01, 2013, 08:25:50 PMI know I'm bumping this thread, but I have a question. What did a C/FO do? Obviously, C/NCOs were flight sergeants and the like, and C/officers did officer stuff, but I can't think of what a C/FO might have done.What would you think if they changed the insignia of rank for c/2nd Lt and Major to the color gold. It wouldn't change any of the training or the rank. It would simply have the cadet rank insignia more closely resemble the military and senior member ranks. "They" already have gold pips and diamonds available for cadets.Just wondering. I'll go back to sleep now.
Quote from: PHall on November 24, 2014, 04:35:14 AMQuote from: Grumpy on November 24, 2014, 04:30:15 AMQuote from: a2capt on June 26, 2012, 11:41:57 PMWith me sitting at 331XXX, when I saw the 145's, I thought.. "wow, that's half.. " now, the newest to be added to our unit yesterday just cracked 5170XX. Pretty soon it will be double what I was.How about C-9114951?Wow Phil, if that was your cadet ID, you're older than I am.Or 691508?
While there are some who might agree, I think this would be even more confusing to folks. All Army and Marine JROTC programs use the same rank structure for their officers and it is a historical tie to our history as Army Air Corps. Since JROTC came into effect in 1916, my guess is that we built our ranks off of them and available insignia. I have heard older former cadet members recall when their ranks were shiny metal (which if true to me would indicate that JROTC/ROTC insignia was most likely used in the early days of the program. Gold diamonds were also discussed for a Cadet/Brig Gen role). I think historically it would be a disservice to all of the C/WO, C/FO, and those who for a brief moment were awarded gold diamonds.
I was a cadet back in 1977-79 and seemed like it was C/WO back then. But that could be poor memory.
Quote from: catrulz on November 24, 2014, 04:01:39 PMI was a cadet back in 1977-79 and seemed like it was C/WO back then. But that could be poor memory.And, you could not wear the shoulder boards until reaching 2LT. Probably was a factor in the "you're not really an officer yet" mentality.
Remember that the grade of cadet warrant officer/cadet flight officer was commensurate with the Gen. Billy Mitchell Award. Pretty much whatever goes with the Mitchell starts now with the grade of cadet second lieutenant. A cadet flight officer was still a cadet officer, just with a gold moonpie.